Ivy Obsession: Does It Start With Students Or Parents?

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NO, old but unwise, Marilee Jones is a FRAUD who was forced to resign her post in disgrace when she admitted she falsified her vitae and never earned the degrees she claimed she had!!! HAAHAHAHAHAHA! Where the heck have you been??? You apparently haven’t been keeping up with the news, nevermind accurate, up-to-date admissions information.
STOP GIVING OUT BAD ERRONEOUS INFORMATION </p>

<p>Here-- try reading some ACCURATE information about Ms. Jones <a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/27/us/27mit.html?ex=1335326400&en=b0c35dcfcb30d8f2&ei=5088&partner=rs[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/27/us/27mit.html?ex=1335326400&en=b0c35dcfcb30d8f2&ei=5088&partner=rs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>btw, in case you didn’t catch it in posts #87 and 88— these were not compliments. It was poking fun at the questionable training and lack of even a college degree. Shall we spell it out any clearer???</p>

<p>Gee, I guess that means that means that Ivy-Obsessed parents aren’t looking for the right preschool that will give their toddler “the Ivy Edge.”</p>

<p>Whew…I feel a lot better now!</p>

<p>jym: Also, I have to admit it…you “got me” in posts 87 and 88. Congrats!!!</p>

<p>But, gee, why would you want to poke fun at a nice guy like me?</p>

<p>what the heck are you talking about now? You want everyone to listen to you and you dont want to listen to anyone else. What a shame.</p>

<p>jym: Because of Marilee’s recent “situation,” are you saying that everything in her book should be ignored, or is just another case of not wanting to hear the truth???</p>

<p>jym: regarding my comments in post 104…I though you were the one poking fun at me in posts 87 and 88, when it was actually someone else.
Sorry.</p>

<p>obw-
no one is trying to “get you”-- we are asking you to hear feedback.</p>

<p>In looking back at the excerpt from Marilee Jones’ book, what is your reaction to it?</p>

<p>obw-
She is a fraud - living a lie for years. Sorry, but I would discount her information as much as I would discount her falsified vitae. I am not saying that students arent under pressure. But I am not going to consider her an “expert”.</p>

<p>And once again, I will answer your questions when you answer mine. Deal?</p>

<p>She served MIT well for more than 25 years and you wouldn’t call her an expert? Is she any less of an expert than anyone else who served for 25 years at one of the most elite college in the nation?</p>

<p>Marilee’s “situation” ??? You call her 28 yr fraudulent misrepresentation of her educational background (claiming to have degrees from 3 institutions, I believe) when she doesn’t even have a college degree a “situation”?? That’s like calling the Grand Canyon an hole in the ground.</p>

<p>Sorry bud, but she lived a lie. I would not consider her credible. Nope. Going to the “school of hard knocks” doesn’t cut it.</p>

<p>If she didn’t do a great job at MIT, how did she happen to move up through the ranks and into one of the most prestigious posts at MIT?</p>

<p>going back to post 111…what questions would you like me to answer?</p>

<p>see post # 85</p>

<p>jym: Not sure why you want to know about my background, or why you even question it, but here goes:</p>

<p>(ABD - All but dissertation) in Counselor Education
State Certification to Practice School Counseling</p>

<p>30 years of experience in college counseling (Split among two public schools over that period of time). Retired.</p>

<p>Facts about me: Enjoyed a very successful career and was held in high esteem by my students, parents and colleagues. Have written about college admission.</p>

<p>Admittedly, I am an arrogant SOB and sometimes exhibit a know-it-all attitude. I’m not perfect. But, anyone who knows me would tell you that there is no one on the planet more concerned about adolescent well-being.</p>

<p>My reason for these posts: During my career, I sat across the desk from numerous students whose primary issue was that their parents pushed them too hard to excel. I’m not talking about “normal” parenting where parents encourage their children to set high goals and work hard to achieve them. I’m referring to the “over-the-top” parents whose primary focus in life is to see their children get into an elite college. Parental pressure was causing these students to be stressed out, have anxiety and panic attacks, low self-esteem, depression, etc. Because of this, I spent much time counseling these students, as most felt that they could talk to me but not to their parents. In the most severe cases (such as suicidal thoughts, etc.), I made referrals to mental health agencies.</p>

<p>I realize that many College Confidential viewers don’t like my antagonism, arrogance and know-it-all attitude. Again, that’s me, I’m not perfect, and I don’t apologize for it. </p>

<p>Although I get attacked by a handful on CC, I know that there are many students and parents who agree with me and my position that Ivy-obsession exists, and many students are paying the price because of it. Most of the support I get comes in the form of Private Messages, and it’s very gratifying that my message is getting across.</p>

<p>The most amazing thing to me is that so many parents don’t want to acknowledge their mistakes, such as pushing their children too hard.</p>

<p>Also, some parents defend their “Ivy-obsessed” parenting style by saying that “it’s a tough world out there and in order to ‘make it’, an Ivy education is the only way to go.” First of all, this type of all-or-nothing thinking is irrational, and parents are pushing that mode of thinking onto their children.<br>
Someone has to let our kids know that the world isn’t as bad or as “dog-eat-dog” as some parents make it out to be, and that getting into an elite college is not the most important issue in life. I wish that some parents would focus more on raising less anxious, more optimistic and happier children. Yes, one doesn’t have to go to an elite college to end up in a great career and have a wonderful life.</p>

<p>My message to parents: If you recognize that you are guilty of some of the things I mentioned above, acknowledge it, apologize to your children, and move ahead in supporting your children during their difficult period of adolescence. Be involved in the college process, don’t control it.</p>

<p>For those whe aren’t familiar, the term “ABD” means a person didnt finish their degreee, for whatever reason. Some people fail their qualifying exams, some people dont get their research design approved by their dissertation committee or or the IRB (Institution Review Board) if they even get that far in the proposal or design of a research project), and some people just get a job with their masters degree (if they get a masters degree along the way in the course of their training) and just get focused on other things and never finish their doctoral requirements. There is no certification or title for being “ABD”. It just means the person didnt finish their program of study.</p>

<p>Many of us on CC get lots of PMs and emails in support of our comments and positions in threads. On this topic, I have as well. It is irrelevant. No one is saying there aren’t pushy parents. Of course there are. There are plenty of wonderful, supportive parents. There are even parents who try to get their kids to be less intense, less “overly focused” on things. Maybe making suggestions to parents as to how to be supportive in a healthy way will be heard better than the approach you have chosen to take. That is your decision.</p>

<p>yes i was joking, duh. and equine studies is a popular major (or at least the rodeo people take it) where I went to CC!</p>