<p>Keeping with the spirit of the season:
<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/14/books/14cart.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/14/books/14cart.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin</a></p>
<p>…well, how about that?!</p>
<p>So, where will the liberal ccer’s fall on this one? As modern presidents go, Carter was the smart one, right? Democrat, as well.</p>
<p>Jimmy Carter needs to resign his ex-President title now - before he does any more damage</p>
<p>I think Carter should have, in his post president years, stuck to building houses.</p>
<p>Perhaps Jimmy was taking notes when he and Michael Moore spent some quality time together at the DNC.</p>
<p>I totally agree with him.</p>
<p>Well it’s not like Carter is saying anything new or different; the situation in Israel has been referred to as “Israeli apartheid” by numerous journalists, historians, political analysts over the past few decades…even Desmond Tutu has likened the treatment of Palestinians in Israel to apartheid. So, perhaps he also took notes from Michael Moore?</p>
<p>I am Jewish, I care about the State of Israel, and I for decades I have been characterizing a number of the standard Likud policies as “speaking Afrikaans.” Jimmy Carter, who committed more of himself and our country’s efforts to achieving peace in the Middle East than any other President, and who achieved far more in that regard than any other President – but still not enough – knows what he is talking about. I am glad that he’s breached the taboo and used the “A” word.</p>
<p>This is Jimmy Carter of the torture training school in his home state, who sent U.S. advisors to supervise torture operations in Iran, and toasted the Shah of Iran for his “commitment to human rights”. </p>
<p>As for what he is saying about Israel-Palestine, it is no different from what the majority of world leaders and opinion makers outside of the U.S. have been saying for a long time.</p>
<p>Rather than just refute the claims of president carter, they call him anti-semtic. I would rather see how the things p carter states in his book disproven. Challenge the arguement, not the person. </p>
<p>I listened to him the other night on the telly and he did have some very good points to his arguement. I’m waiting for the other side to counter the arguement, not the person.</p>
<p>A million Arabs live in Israel. </p>
<p>Jews are not permitted to live in most Arab countries (can’t even get a passport to visit…how’s that for racist)?</p>
<p>I excuse none of Israel’s occupation/expansion policy. But I also like a little intellectual honesty about the situation.</p>
<p>Fair enough. (How many Arabs lived in Palestine before the creation of the state of Israel?)</p>
<p>How many Jews lived in Arab countries before 1948? </p>
<p>This is kind of a tit for tat, because for nearly every Arab who left or was forced out of the new state of Israel, there are was a Jew who left or was forced out of an Arab country when Israel was formed.</p>
<p>And whenever Palestinian right of return or reparations is discussed, these million Jews, mostly Sephardic, are competely forgotten. Their homes were also taken…where are their reparations? Does anyone care? Seems not.</p>
<p>The difference being that the overwhelming majority of Israelis did not come from Arab countries (so it is hardly “tit for tat”). </p>
<p>A book worthy of your attention:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.commoncouragepress.com/index.cfm?action=book&bookid=278[/url]”>http://www.commoncouragepress.com/index.cfm?action=book&bookid=278</a></p>
<p>Do you know Ashkanazi Holocaust survivors…or Middle Eastern Jews forced out of their home countries (which were just as much home to them as Israel was to the Palestinians) who went to Israel? How many came because there was literally nowhere else to go?</p>
<p>I was going to respond, but JHS already wrote down the post in my head, verbatim.</p>
<p>it is amazing that Israel can never ever do any wrong in some people’s eyes…it is like they are truely the “chosen” ones because an ancient text says so…I find that pretty convienent…</p>
<p>do those that support Israel with such vehemence, do you see that possibly Israel has sometimes ddone some horrid things?</p>
<p>“The difference being that the overwhelming majority of Israelis did not come from Arab countries (so it is hardly “tit for tat”).”</p>
<p>What difference does that make?</p>
<p>The whole Middle East, the whole place, is made up of tribes and wanderers. Every country is just made up.</p>
<p>Hey AllMusic, the Askhenazi Jews, who had nowhere to go , right? Remind me of how the Palestinian Authority put Jews into the trains and sent them to Auschwitz? It’s been a while since I saw Schindler’s List, but I forgot that one. Something bad did happen to the Euro. Jews, but two wrongs don’t make a right.
Second of all, most Jews living in Arabic countries were not in danger of expulsion or any kind of apartheid that European Jews faced. Only after the Ashkenzai Gangster Terrorists like the Irgun and Lehi came to the region, did the Arabic Jews have any trouble because of these outside agitators.
Again my second contention is ex post facto, because the Ashkenazi Jews had no right to come to Palestine. Although I don’t agree with (all of) Ahmadinejad’s statements, I think he said it most accurately when he said that if the Germany made a genocide against the Jews, let a piece of Germany be taken out and made into Israel. The Arabs had nothing to do with it and its time to wrong injustices.</p>
<p>Are you suggesting that Israel be moved to Germany, Mrflyer?</p>
<p>Also, read your history a little, since you have a few factual errors in your post. Middle Eastern, Sephardic, Jews were second class citizens, dhimmi, in every Arabic country; in some they were slaves, LONG before the formation of the state of Israel.</p>
<p>And who is “supporting Israel with such vehemence”, CGM? I am a realist with regard to Israel, but at least I try to get my facts straight.</p>
<p>1940’s. Even in enlightened and superior White Christian America blacks were treated as second-class Americans. So that is irrelevant. Minorities anywhere weren’t treated great. Are you suggesting Blacks should carve out a piece of America or that the Gypsies get a country in Europe. And as I stated before allthe agitators who created Israel were European Jews</p>
<p>And YES, I am suggesting that Israel be moved to Germany, from a logical and moral standpoint it makes complete sense. Germany did the Holocaust. What right did the Askhenazis have in Palestine. OR we could absorb them in this country. Since America has donated 130 billion to Israel while decent Americans have lived in poverty, we seem to be willing.</p>