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<p>Down to earth, </p>

<p>I think he just always felt that the battle wasn’t worth it so he just took it. He finally got to the point where he said enough. He reminds me of a dog that has the sweetest temperment, but the owner walks by and kicks them just because they are there, eventually the dog will bite you and defend themself. She kicked him one too many times and he said enough. I am sure they have been on message boards and seen how people pity him for how she behaves toward him. He might have gotten to the point that he woke up and said I am seen as a laughing stock married to the world’s biggest beeaach, enough. It could have been set off one day for the simplest of reasons, i.e. we are doing this without consulting him and he had already made plans. It usually isn’t the big thing that breaks the camels back, it is just one more little thing that does it.</p>

<p>You are right in last season it felt like they were promoting something on every episode. The hotel in Hawaii, the Phillies, the Globetrotters, the hotel in Utah, Sesame Street, the places in California, the photographers, the puppy farm, the solar panels for the house, etc. etc. etc. I am surprised that they didn’t go to a car dealership and get a new car. :eek:</p>

<p>I watched last night, because I wanted to really see if she had changed and took some ownership in this. SHe did, because she did state Jon is upset with me because he quit his job and I am gone, but than she throw a dig a couple of times and kept saying Jon made bad decisions.</p>

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<p>I thought the show was very sad also. It looked to me that John has checked out of the marriage. That’s a very passive-aggressive man. I can actually relate to Kate in certain ways. I wouldn’t necessarily make or be able to make the choices she has, but I do get her motivation and I don’t think it’s quite what others here think.</p>

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<p>We had people over so we recorded it. Will have to see the train wreck tonight.</p>

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<p>LOL, says this mom of three who is about 6 weeks past due for a hair cut! I tried a self-tanning product but had to wear slacks for two weeks after I messed up my feet and ankles. And Loreal has discontinued my shade, so I’m in constant search for a new hair color. I would be a great subject for a real “reality” show!</p>

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<p>Clearly they all need counseling. I didn’t watch the whole thing butI was hoping to hear that they were getting it. Any mention of counseling?</p>

<p>I did think the shots of the paparazzi across the creek were funny though.</p>

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<p>Me too, especially the episodes of how it takes Bullet and I 2 shopping carts to go food shopping for a family of five. I never have time to go to the salon, so I now have a haircut ritual…Cut off all of my hair to short bob, and then grow it out until it is passed my shoulders, and do it all over again. I use to love getting my haircut when the kids were young because it was my only downtime, now I sit in there chair thinking can we hurry this up, I still have to go to the bank, dry cleaners, get home to finish the laundry, vacuum, make dinner early so we can get to CCD on time, and it’s even worse when it is the day I have to polish the floors (over 2K sqft of hardwoods has to be done when everybody is a sleep or not home). </p>

<p>However, if anybody ever watched my reality show, our population would turn to 0 because I am the best reason for birth control… our kids are wonderful, but they are at an age where they have perfected how to get a rise out of each other in 10 seconds or less.</p>

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<p>Jon & Kate Plus 8 has totally jumped the shark. It’s a travesty now. When the show gets cancelled, she will no longer have an audience for her books. I hope they share custody. Actually, I hope he continues to live over the garages. That ‘apartment’ prob has more square footage than my HOUSE!!! Imagine having 8 traumatized, angry children. ALL decisions after a divorce should be based entirely on the needs of the children. Hey, one month Kate lives in the apartment while Jon gets the house, and the next month they switch. </p>

<p>They have ended up with alot of money and nice things, and a family in a tailspin…</p>

<p>Kate was not nice from the start. There was a time I thought she was improving and that they were happier, but now I know that they were simply more used to and comfortable with the routine of constant filming and going on trips and pretending. </p>

<p>And there are lots of childcare arrangements that are not having a nanny. I have no doubt that she has had plenty of, hordes of minions at her beck and call. Shortly into this thing, she became a Princess and it went downhill from there. I think everyone in Eastern PA can’t stand her. This seems to include her family and the people who worked with her when she was a nurse.</p>

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<p>Did you notice when she was in the parking lot in the car at Party City she tells the kids unbuckle quickly because the paprazzi is out there and one of the kids asks what is the paprazzi? Not too smart putting fear into 5 yr olds or even highlighting it, all she did was make them wonder what she was talking about. For all they knew the paprazzi was some kind of Pizza and they were now trying to figure out where the pizza was! I know if it were any of my kids I would be dragging them because they would be spending their whole time looking for this thing called the paprazzi. I am sure they would say in their loudest voice over and over again, Mommy where’s the paparazzi, what is paparazzi with their heads playing sybil spinning around.</p>

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<p>I felt the whole show last night was so sad. I felt like we were watching the destruction of a marraige and family. My teenagers we so angry with Jon from what they have read/seen in the mags and tabloids. I had to remind them that it takes two to make a good marraige and two to let things go bad. Both have fault in this. The whole episode was depressing. What a train wreck. I feel bad for both of them.</p>

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<p>I just quickly looked on their TLC blog at the comments, many are kind and supportive. The ones that are pointing fingers overwhelmingly blame Kate. I think I read maybe one about Jon, the rest were basically the same as here. Saying stop playing the pity me card and acknowledge the fact that you did this to him. Many reminded her of how Jon wanted the show to end last season.</p>

<p>They also had many saying Jon said it the best last night, what is happening between him and Kate is between him and Kate and he would not comment on it since it was nobody’s business, but their family’s, whereas Kate did make the issues public, by saying comments about Jon resenting her being gone and he made bad choices.</p>

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<p>I, too, wonder how these two people became married. I’m not so sure that Jon is passive aggressive, except around someone as controlling as Kate. And I can see that having 8 kids, and 6 of them all at once, could turn a controlling person like Kate into an OCD maniac. You have to include the huge, huge impact that having 6 newborns all at once must have had on each of their personalities. Couple that with being on TV, getting stuff donated to you from who-knows-where, various family in and out to help, and I can see someone like Kate going over the edge into totally controlling beeaatch-hood. Nice-guy Jon is no match for witch-Kate…</p>

<p>Maybe the security-guy boyfriend takes control of many situations as part of his job. Imagine what a HUGE relief it would be to Kate to have someone else in charge sometimes. Maybe he should ditch his wife and marry Kate. The family would for sure run better. I can understand her falling for him. He obviously can stand up to witch-Kate.</p>

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<p>I don’t want to villify anyone, you just don’t know what people are really like. To see the change was weird. Idid not watch it last year just the occ rerun because my kids like it. She seemed more diva ish. and despite her attitude she seemed more softer in past years. He really did seem very passive aggressive. I wish they had gotten past this. I hate to see any marriage fail. You are right-could tell he was just DONE. But I still don’t think he was blameless, he prob did things you just don’t know about. It takes two…</p>

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<p>Jon clearly used poor judgement. Sometimes people do this when they are in a situation they see no way out of. I think he just wants to have a “normal” life and get a real job. I think he misses working. The limelight is not for him.
Kate, otoh, loves the limelight. This is her job. Clearly she sees herself as a working mother and this is how she supports her family. Her being away from home left Jon home with all the kids, isolated with little adult companionship.
JMHO.</p>

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<p>In a very old episode, probably the 1st season, I remember the 2 of them saying Jon was the bad boy and that is what attracked Kate to him. He admits that Kate chnaged him and put him on the right road, getting a degree, a real job, etc. There is a picture of him in a black leather jacket. I think that dsc6 might not be off the mark about the security guard, but give her time, 10 yrs from now he will be emasculated also.</p>

<p>I also agree with downtoearth, it does take two to tango, and if he really did have an affair, he should have moved out first. However, there were rumors the excuse that he went to his Mom’s house because she broke her foot was just a cover story and they had seperated. This was before the pictures of him at the bar were released. I think Jon is remorseful and knew he crossed the line, and Kate has the right to be angry from him doing it. Not from the publicity point, but the hurt it caused her personally. However, as I will never condone the remark she made me do it for having an affair, this is the first time I can actually understand it. nobody not even a saint can live their life being reduced to nothing more than a “subject” to somebody else’s reign. I never ever saw one episode where she talked to him as her love, spouse, mate, father of their children, all you ever see is her talking AT him. I have never watched every episode, probably only @25% when nothing better is on, but in each of those episodes that I have watched my body shivers from the shrill in her voice when she says Jon, because I know there would be something he is about to be yelled at for. Watching her behavior towards him reminds me of how you want to crawl in your skin when you are at the grocery store watching a mother berate the child, you don’t say anything because they haven’t hit the child or called them evil names, but your heart breaks for the little one just standing there. Nobody, absolutely nobody can live 24/7 with the contempt she shows him, let alone the person that you are supoose to fighting against the world with!</p>

<p>This is not a marriage, it is just 2 people who have biological rights to 8 children. I can’t even say Jon is a parent because Kate doesn’t give him respect in front of the children to allow them to think of him that way. She’s Mommy and makes the rules, he’s Daddy that follows Mommy’s orders like they do. What struck me yesterday was she said that Cara and Maddy have stepped up to the plate to help her, but all I thought are they doing it because they feel bad for Mommy, or are they doing it because they saw that Mommy stopped loving Daddy and he always followed her orders. Let’s be real, children at 8 yrs old should not think they need to “step up to the plate and help” they are children, if they are that mature at that age, then they have seen things that took their innocence away, That breaks my heart for many reasons, but most importantly as a mother, she should have shielded them, she should have put the brunt on her shoulders. Since, Bullet was in the military and deployed to war zones multiple times when my children were young, I always hid my fears. Daddy was just away, they didn’t know that he was being shot at. I was a single mom for many months at a time living thousands of miles away from my family. We still had parties, granted not 6 kids, but than again I didn’t have a helper to assist. My eldest was never told by Bullet while I am gone you are the man of the house, we kept them as kids, we let them live their life in a bubble with no fears. SHe talks about the 6 turning 5 and never getting that back. Cara and Maddy will also never get their youth back either.</p>

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<p>My D is watching the episode now and he does say this whole thing was not his decision.
I think they wonder how it gets out of control. You see celebrities that the same thing happens to. all the sudden you are at a place you never thought you would be and you are HOLY …how did I get here.? I think he gets stuck with the kids and she goes off and gets her breaks.She says he has help but he is still stuck home while she is getting out in the world. I know I would go nuts. My H and I never really had breaks, no family to help to speak of. I was never one to leave my kids too much, although we are ok, I think things would have been easier if we had more time together. thank goodness we did ok, but I sometimes think I should have let go more. You didn’t see them spend the time together as much either. Looking at it I don’t think I would have survived multiples either, but knowing that I would have stopped at the twins. I’m not just saying this as I decided on my family size based on decisions other than desire and I know others who have as well.</p>

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<p>I also hope another marriage is not being broken up as well. (security)</p>

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<p>“They also had many saying Jon said it the best last night, what is happening between him and Kate is between him and Kate and he would not comment on it since it was nobody’s business, but their family’s”</p>

<p>Oh, please. If I had a nickel for every reality-show star who said his private life was nobody else’s business…</p>

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<p>bulletandpima- congrats to you for all you accomplished with your husband in the service, I was a military brat, but dad did not go to war but my had to deal with long separations .I too have had issues that I try to shield my kids from. It takes alot of self control particularly when you are anxious or worried. Nothing is more important than them.</p>

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<p>i never had to do it publically though. I feel it it so hard to say…I never could have done it…</p>

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<p>As many others have said, last night’s episode was painful to watch. It was so awkward at times, I felt bad for the parents who were there with their children attending as guests at the party. Jon and Kate wouldn’t even look at each other, much less talk to each other. Jon looked just plain defeated and beaten down. The bitterness and resentment from both directions was overwhelming. It made me so sad that I wished I hadn’t watched it afterwards.</p>

<p>I know nobody is perfect and blame falls on both sides in any marital strife. Kate is controlling and I can’t understand all the travel away from her children, if for no other reason than children aren’t children for long and she’s missing all that! But Jon’s adventures can’t be justified either as a married man and father. Surely they’ve accumulated enough money through all this by now to live very comfortably without continuing the show.</p>

<p>It was obvious to me as I watched that there’s already been a negative impact on the children, especially Madi and Cara. And when one of the little girls said “Don’t leave again, Daddy”, my heart broke for her. How can they keep filming? I’m not a psychologist but is that not abusive to the children in a sense to continue to air? TLC needs to think long and hard if they’re really committed to family programming. I don’t think I can watch any more of it.</p>

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<p>My take on Jon was that he is standing up for himself. Admits he made poor decisions, but has a “that’s the way it is” attitude. He won’t be controlled anymore and she is bewildered by that. i am definately not going to watch, I watch tv for entertainment, I can be bummed out by the news.</p>