Just out of curiosity-Tesla

I don’t know how they handle on a road course, but as @IxnayBob suggests, the acceleration is insane. The Tesla P100 D has gone 10.72 seconds @ 120 mph in the 1/4 mile, which makes it the fasted 4 door production car, and there are very few of any cars that can do that. Maybe the top of the line Porsche turbo. Your typical Corvette will be left in the dust.

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A little off-topic (a little), but what are y’all’s opinions about how the Model 3 will fare? As in, will it snag a nice chunk of the market, or will people still not want to put their stock in pure electrics?

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@mohammadmohd18 , I think the Model 3 will bring BEVs into people’s mindshare. I know people who put a deposit down ($1k), not sure if they’d actually buy, but the car appears to be more attractive than anticipated, and I think/hope it will really succeed. Tesla outsells ICE cars in the luxury market; it just might become a factor in the moderate upscale sedan market also.

I know 2 people who put down a deposit for the model 3 and after test driving the S and X changed their minds. They switched and one is driving the S and the other I think takes delivery of his X next month.

I read a figure somewhere where it said 130,000 people put down $1000 deposits? I was kind of blown away. Hopefully the yield on that is pretty high–if Tesla manages to break into the mainstream, somewhat, then I am also hopeful that BEVs will start to become a viable option.

Note that the Tesla Model 3 is not the only more-affordable (than Tesla Model S and X) longer range electric vehicle. The Chevrolet Bolt at about $37k-$44k MSRP has 238 miles of EPA range. The Hyundai Ioniq electric has 124 miles of EPA range, but has MSRP of $30-$38k (there is also a hybrid version; there will also be a plug-in hybrid version later). These are before any rebates or tax credits.

Heck even the Nissan Leaf has a range over 100 miles for the 2017 model. It is under $40K before rebates as well.

@mohammadmohd18 , Tesla doesn’t reveal directly the number of Model 3 reservations, but based on cash flow, it is estimated that between 300,000 and 400,000 reservations are held.

https://electrek.co/2016/10/27/tesla-model-3-700-million-customer-deposits/

We are idiots number 111,111 or so. :slight_smile:

I seriously considered buying an S a couple of years ago but went with German luxury instead. I was put off by the S because I felt nauseous after driving it, which in retrospect was probably caused by a combination of heavy regen mode and looking down at the screen too much.

I am torn about Tesla today. Part of me is in awe about Elon Musk, whose achievements make Steve Jobs look like a child by comparison. The other part has big flashing warning signs that Tesla is a financial house of cards. It is only if the 3 becomes financially successful that they can be considered to be financially viable.

If the 3 becomes successful, I would seriously consider buying it as a daily driver and getting a fun car for weekends.

@IxnayBob,

I remember reading you used AutoPilot extensively. Someone caught on dashcam a situation where it failed:

http://jalopnik.com/dont-use-teslas-autopilot-like-this-1792896205

I could see how the system got confused–the lanes shifted over but the previous markings were still there.

ouch. X_X

@hebegebe, I do use it alot, but I never completely focus on anything else other than driving. That said, my attention is different when using AP than when driving manually; I think of it as a a calmly observant state. I think I am more aware of the road situation, since I don’t have as much attention on the mechanics of staying in lane, keeping a safe distance from the car ahead, etc.

What I found interesting in the video you posted was that the following car (the one taking the video) had also not moved out of the left lane until pretty late. I wonder if there were no signs indicating that the lane was closed/shifted.

@IxnayBob,

I fear that the vast majority of AutoPilot users are not nearly so attentive as you are.

Automation makes most people less attentive. They may feel more free to text if the car is paying attention to maintaining speed and following the lanes. And then if the buzzer does sound, it takes them a few seconds to regain situational awareness.

I would treat autopilot in the same way I treat cruise control. Never take the eyes off the road.

Yeah, my current car has adaptive cruise control, and I drive the same 40 miles to and from school each day. Half of it is highway, so it’s pretty much set it and forget it at 7 am against traffic for the first thirty minutes.

I’m still not doing anything else other than listening to my audiobook and watching the fools in the other lanes. For me it just helps to make very long commutes physically less wearying.

I watched that video, and given the complete lack of warning for that lane disappearance, I’m suspecting there area lot of drivers hitting that even without autopilot-just absolutely no warning at all, no signs, and the jersey barrier is not even marked with warning stripes except for one tiny spot. The fact that the car didn’t go spinning into the other lanes impressed the hell out of me! Makes me want one more, not less.

^^Just not having to have your foot on the gas pedal all the time is a huge help. :slight_smile:

^ I think that many AP users are getting the message, but there will always be some who don’t. I’m an optimist and prefer to think that it’s just a minority who act recklessly. It’s probably the same people who thought when they got AWD that they could drive at full speed in snow and ice.

I think the day will come when AP is more capable than a human driver, but we are not there yet. My car, for example, will never be there, since it has AP1 level of sensors, but it already sensed a traffic situation that I did not (radar bounces under car ahead to “see” actions of car ahead of that one; I follow at a safe distance, so there wasn’t any real danger of an accident, but AP slowed before I would have). I expect AP2 will get there soonish, as it has many more sensors.

I actually think that calling it Autopilot is a good idea. The pilot doesn’t get drunk, or sit in the lounge, when Autopilot is turned on. However, he can manage the cockpit without worrying about keeping the wings level, approach the airport safely, etc.