I’m not 100% sure, but I’m pretty sure that Agnes Scott is pretty inclusive in terms of how it defines gender (i.e. born female at birth identifying as female, trans women, nonbinary, and maybe trans men…). I didn’t see a page for how they’re talking about gender, which might be part of how they’re being inclusive. And from its History page, emphasis added:
Agnes Scott College was established in 1889 with a distinctive mission: to educate women for the betterment of their families and the elevation of their region. Today, that mission has evolved into a commitment to educate students from around the world to “think deeply, live honorably and engage the intellectual and social challenges of their times.”
And the school is 40% white, 31% black, 14% Hispanic, 6% 2+ races, 5% Asian, 3% international, and 1% unknown, 40% are Pell Grant recipients, and 30% are formally registered with the office of disability services.
I’m not sure where you found the religious breakdown of students, but Loyola does have a Muslim Student Association, some organizations for the Jewish student community, as well as non-Catholic Christian organizations.
But beyond that, it’s 45% white, 21% Hispanic, 20% Black, 5% 2+ races, 4% international, 3% Asian, and 2% unknown, with 39% receiving a Pell Grant and 12.76% who are formally registered with the office of disability services.
Remember, though, this metric is not just whether there is a diversity of individuals present, but whether or not there is significant interaction between the groups of people that are present. From what I know of Loyola New Orleans, there is definitely significant interaction happening between groups, and from what I’ve heard of Agnes Scott, the same is true there.
Okay, I’ve had a chance to dig a bit deeper into the learning environment portion.
Here’s the roll-up for those same southeastern states + Pennsylvania that I did above for Student Experience. For ease of reference, I’m reposting the definitions that WSJ used for these categories:
Learning environment (20%):
Learning opportunities (5%): The quality and frequency of learning opportunities at the college, based on our student survey. This includes questions about interactions with faculty, feedback and the overall quality of teaching.
Preparation for career (5%): The quality and frequency of opportunities for students to prepare for their future careers, based on our student survey. This includes questions about networking opportunities, career advice and support, and applied learning.
Learning facilities (5%): Student satisfaction with the college’s learning-related facilities, based on our student survey. This includes questions about library facilities, internet reliability, and classrooms and teaching facilities.
Recommendation score (5%): The extent to which students would recommend their college, based on our student survey. This includes questions about whether students would recommend the college to a friend, whether students would choose the same college again if they could start over, and satisfaction with the value for money their college provides.
State
# of Schools Included
Learning Opportunities Range
Learning Opportunities Average
Preparation for Career Range
Preparation for Career Average
Learning Facilities Range
Learning Facilities Average
Recommendation Score Range
Recommendation Score Average
AL
8
62-80
67.4
62-84
70.1
53-88
76.3
57-88
73.5
GA
20
63-80
69.7
60-82
70.6
72-87
78.4
59-90
73.9
LA
10
62-76
67.5
64-83
69.6
63-86
73
59-88
69.7
MS
5
63-74
67.4
62-74
69.4
74-80
76.2
67-76
72
NC
16
65-77
70.6
64-77
71.4
71-87
79.7
61-85
74.2
PA
36
63-79
80
62-78
71.1
70-90
79.6
54-82
71.2
SC
7
65-78
70.9
65-77
70.4
72-88
80.6
57-81
73.1
TN
16
65-80
71
66-79
70.9
74-89
80.9
69-83
76.1
VA
14
61-84
71.7
59-85
71.6
72-95
82.6
64-89
77.3
WV
2
63-66
64.5
58-68
63
67-76
71.5
72-74
73
The spread between the different categories were all much closer, with no big outliers:
Learning Opportunities Average
Preparation for Career Average
Learning Facilities Average
Recommendation Score Average
Spread from Top to Bottom
15.5
8.6
11.1
7.6
For people who want to see some specific schools, here are the data for…
Pennsylvania
School
Learning Opportunities Score
Preparation for Career
Learning Facilities
Recommendation Score
Allegheny
77
72
81
77
Bucknell
79
78
90
80
Carnegie Mellon
68
69
78
72
Chatham
67
62
70
54
Dickinson
74
71
85
71
Drexel
66
72
71
64
Duquesne
68
70
79
71
Elizabethtown
73
71
80
70
Franklin & Marshall
71
67
78
60
Gettysburg
75
73
83
74
Haverford
73
66
85
74
Indiana U. of PA
63
64
77
67
Juniata
74
74
77
76
Kutztown
71
71
74
67
Lafayette
73
75
87
80
Lebanon Valley
71
71
74
67
Lehigh
73
75
87
80
Lycoming
69
65
80
57
Messiah
72
73
79
67
Muhlenberg
71
68
78
65
Penn State
69
72
79
74
Pennsylvania College of Technology
72
76
77
74
Slippery Rock
71
74
81
78
St. Francis
74
73
76
67
St. Joseph’s
68
68
73
65
Susquehanna
76
78
81
74
Swarthmore
71
66
87
74
Temple
65
69
78
69
Thomas Jefferson
70
71
74
68
U. of Pennsylvania
70
77
83
79
U. of Pennsylvania
70
77
83
79
U. of Pittsburgh
66
68
74
76
U. of Scranton
75
75
87
82
Ursinus
72
65
79
63
Villanova
73
78
77
77
Washington & Jefferson
71
68
82
66
West Chester
65
67
80
75
And Virginia
School
Learning Opportunities Score
Preparation for Career
Learning Facilities
Recommendation Score
Christopher Newport
69
70
85
73
George Mason
61
59
73
64
Hampden-Sydney
82
83
92
88
James Madison
74
76
86
87
Liberty U.
73
76
79
81
Old Dominion
62
60
72
67
Randolph-Macon
76
76
82
78
U. of Mary Washington
71
67
82
72
U. of Richmond
78
74
93
81
U. of Virginia
68
68
81
80
Virginia Commonwealth
65
66
73
65
Virginia Tech
69
71
81
78
Washington & Lee
84
85
95
89
William & Mary
72
72
82
79
Since WSJ’s definition of Learning Opportunities is best-aligned to what I consider a quality education, I’ll highlight the three highest scoring schools in each of those states for that metric:
Alabama: Samford (80), Jacksonville State (71), Auburn (69)
Georgia: Savannah College of Art & Design (80), Dalton State (76), Morehouse (75)
Louisiana: Louisiana Tech (76), Southeastern Louisiana (72), U. of Louisiana-Monroe (70)
Mississippi: Mississippi College (74), Jackson State (71), U. of Mississippi (65)
North Carolina: Davidson (77), Elon (76), Wake Forest (76)
South Carolina: Wofford (78), Bob Jones (75), Furman (75)
Tennessee: Sewanee: The U. of the South (80), Lipscomb (77), Rhodes (75-tie), Belmont (75-tie), Trevecca Nazarene (75-tie)
Virginia: Washington & Lee (84), Hampden-Sydney (82), U. of Richmond (78)
West Virginia: West Virginia U. (66), Marshall (63)
Once again, are there are any surprises on here? Scores that you think would be higher or lower than they are? Or are these a confirmation of what you’re familiar with?
“You” didn’t mean YOU in that sense- it’s like the papal “we”. The following sentence in my post said that the schools send out the surveys. The point remains the same. Do they send out the surveys to all of their students? Or to, as it said, a “representative sample“? Or is their definition of a “representative sample” simply the random students that happened to reply to the survey, and whether or not the information they reply is accurate. Any student could claim that they’re making tons of money, but no one‘s going to fact check it.
And because this is College Confidential where lots of people care about the information about the highest ranked schools, here are the data on WSJ’s top 20 overall:
School
Overall Rank
Learning Opportunities Score
Preparation for Career
Learning Facilities
Recommendation Score
Stanford
1
68
73
78
83
Babson
2
83
88
91
88
Yale
3
70
72
83
85
Princeton
4
75
77
89
86
Harvard
5
70
70
82
79
Claremont McKenna
6
79
83
88
86
U. of California - Berkeley
7
64
67
70
78
Columbia
8
66
68
75
72
U. of Pennsylvania
9
70
77
83
79
Davidson
10
77
76
85
78
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
11
69
75
85
84
Bentley
12
77
82
89
82
U. of California - Davis
13
67
68
76
76
U. of California - Merced
14
61
58
71
64
Harvey Mudd
15
74
66
87
75
Georgia Institute of Tech
16
71
74
79
84
San Jose State
17
61
65
70
71
Cornell
18
66
69
81
74
Loyola Maryland
19
80
83
91
85
U. of Notre Dame
20
77
82
88
85
Since in my previous post I indicated that WSJ’s “Learning Opportunities” metric most closely aligns with my definition of good academics, then the top performers from this list would be:
Darn, I was out. I would have guessed Agnes Scott in a heartbeat for Georgia as you suggested. And someone claiming it is not diverse is wild. The racial and economic diversity dwarfs that of its peers (both LACs and historically women’s colleges). And, as you say, the interaction across identities is reputed to be very high.
I was simply noting that’s what I took from it. I know it’s not what you meant.
As for Agnes Scott, I simply noted it’s one gender - so is that “diverse” but it always depends on the criteria being used - no matter the rank. Both Emory and Ga State are quite diverse as well but Emory is a much wealthier crowd - so I thought they were good guesses
All four components of the “learning environment” rating are based on student surveys. The numbers therefore reflect students’ satisfaction with their own school’s learning environment. Nothing wrong with that (it is interesting!), but I am not sure that it is a measurement of “good academics.”
For example, looking at numbers, MIT has a “learning opportunities” rating of 69 on this survey, which seems about average for most institutions in the survey listed. Some other institutions with a learning opportunities rating of 69 include Lycoming College, Penn State, Christopher Newport University, and Virginia Tech.
If I were to interpret this, I might say that students at each of these institutions appear to be equally satisfied by their own school’s learning opportunities. I am not sure that we can infer that academic quality is the same at all of these institutions, or that MIT (for example) offers an education that is about average in academic quality, compared to all other academic institutions that WSJ surveyed.
For schools with the highest ratings on this measure (looking at you, Babson), my interpretation would be that students are extremely satisfied with the learning opportunities at their school. That is great in itself and certainly something to celebrate. Babson students appear to be getting everything that they came to Babson for… while MIT students are perhaps less satisfied with what they are getting.