Kennedy lights the torch against the Clintons

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<pre><code>The Clinton Machine is slowly eroding. New England will fall.
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<p>Lights the torch? I don’t think so. To the extent that any torch is lit, he’s just helping raise it a little higher. But not even that much.</p>

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<p>He damned the Clintons pretty effectively in his speech. It’s going to get a lot of coverage too.</p>

<p>3 main points: Obama opposed the war from the start, Clinton flip-flopped.
Obama tries to unite the party, Clinton race-baits.
Clintons can not fill a progressive agenda because Bill Clinton was to the right of 90 percent of Democrats.</p>

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<p>Ted Kennedy gave a great speech today. I don’t remember him doing a better job.</p>

<p>Obama has such a good voice…</p>

<p>Super Tuesday is going to be an interesting day to say the least.</p>

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<p>Although I think this is big news, I think the consequences could go either way, in the primaries and the general election. Some will oppose Obama for the fact they hate anything Kennedy, and some who have been on the fence will now choose Obama because of the endorsement.</p>

<p>I do think his endorsement will help bring in more monies for Obama, although he hasn’t had too much of a problem with that yet. I see it as a nice perk.</p>

<p>By the way, I was a beaming mom today when D2 called from school in PA to say she was registering to vote there (and needed to know the last four digits of her SSN), instead of in IL. She feels like her vote is needed more in PA than IL. Obama’s camp had a table set up on campus for kids who are not registered in PA to do so if they wish to vote there.</p>

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I don’t think there are many Democratic primary voters who hate Ted Kennedy ROFL.</p>

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<p>Lost quite of few points with me. Kennedy clan can be magnanimous with OPM but not with mine. </p>

<p>Not many of you remember the nuclear drill. JFKennedy makes W look wimpy as a war president.</p>

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<p>A broader question…does anyone really care? How much do endorsements really matter? Personally, I do pay attention to endorsements from the NY Times for local elections where it’s sometimes hard to get enough information about the issues and candidates. So, if the Times endorses X v. Y in the primary for city comptroller, I pay attention. But, for the presidency? </p>

<p>I can’t imagine that I would ever change my vote because John Kerry, Bob Kerrey, Ted Kennedy, Kathleen Kennedy Townsend or Caroline Kennedy (hey, BTW, why isn’t she using Schlossberg --or however you spell it?) says that (s)he plans to vote a certain way. Do other people really do that?</p>

<p>Has this actually been studied scientifically?</p>

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<p>My bad… meant to say if Obama wins the primaries. I can see some voters who do not vote by party lines not voting for Obama because of the Kennedy endorsement in the general election.</p>

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<p>Most endorsements don’t matter. I.e. Kerry or Kerrey. Ted Kennedy is a Democratic lion though. Bill Clinton would also be a big endorsement too, if his wife wasn’t running.</p>

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<p>Like I said, I think it can help in fundraising if/when the Kennedys get out on the trail and offer their presence for fundraisers.</p>

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<p>Good. A naive left leaning Democrat will bring the Republicans back to power faster than you can say Jimmy Carter. Hillary would be tought to beat in four years.</p>

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<p>All the positions of the Democrats are in line with the country and they are guranteed 8 years. </p>

<p>The majority of people in this country want to end the war in Iraq.
The majority of people in this country want no war with Iran.
The majority of people in t his country support civil unions and gay marriage.
The majority of people in this country are pro-choice.
The majority want universal health care.
The majority believe the rich are under-taxed
<a href=“http://pollingreport.com/[/url]”>http://pollingreport.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://pollingreport.com/issues.htm[/url]”>http://pollingreport.com/issues.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>The majority lies to pollsters. If you ask the questions slightly differently you get different answers. The majority will not like the tax bill for universal healthcare. Most states that have voted have killed gay marriage including democrat states. The majority want higher taxes on somebody else. Rich is a loaded word. Is $200,000/yr in NYC rich? Not to rich New Yorkers.
The majority also wants further limits on abortions and does not support them for just convenience.</p>

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Republicans need to say that to sleep at night. </p>

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Repeal the Estate Tax and Bush tax cuts for those over 200k and Health Care will fund itself. </p>

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The support for civil unions is the majority.

Incorrect, 2/3 of Americans are pro-Choice.</p>

<p>Nice job ignoring the polls on the other stuff I mentioned.</p>

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<p>“Clinton flip-flopped”</p>

<p>I WISH she had flip-flopped. Flip-flopping is the right thing to do when facts reveal that your prior decision was wrong. I can’t consider supporting her without a flip-flop, and it is apparently not forthcoming.</p>

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<p>“Incorrect, 2/3 of Americans are pro-Choice.”</p>

<p>Better check the polls again. It heavily depends on how you define it. When asked if it should be allowed for the convenience of the mother most oppose it.</p>

<p>Gay Marriage
[USATODAY.com</a> - Issues: 11 states nix gay marriage; Calif. OKs stem-cell work](<a href=“http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/initiative.htm]USATODAY.com”>http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/initiative.htm)</p>

<p>[Wisconsin</a> a Gay Marriage Battleground - washingtonpost.com](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR2006093000433.html]Wisconsin”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR2006093000433.html)</p>

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<p>I think the democrats could be self-destructing.</p>

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<p>I’m sure the Clinton campaign is undermining the importance of any major endorsement. Unless of course it is for Team Clinton… :rolleyes:</p>

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<p>^ I agree</p>

<p>Even the Kennedy family is split, although most of the media seems to be saying (or at least implying) that the entire Kennedy family is behind Obama. Kathleen, Kerry, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr all support Clinton and are fairly prominnent politicians (One is a former lietenant governor and another is a Rep in Congress). Also, members of the Kennedy family have contributed more to Clinton ($15,000) than Obama ($9,000), according to Politico. But, of course, Ted Kennedy is the most prominent Kennedy right now and his endorsement will probably have the greatest impact out of all of these. This just goes to show that the Democrats are really splitting considering the Kennedys are one of the most prominent families in the party. </p>

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