Khamenei call Americans elections a victory for Iran

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<p>“You bet. Pakistan, Israel, and the U.S. together make up a very dangerous triumvirate. All three have very large militaries, and a propensity for using them.”</p>

<p>I said nothing about “a propensity to use nuclear weapons” - I DID say, and I stand by it, that the U.S., Israel, and Pakistan have large militaries and a propensity to use them. I can’t see why anyone would want to deny that. You could argue they are used in a good cause, but that they use them is not even in question.</p>

<p>I am sorry if I said anything that could be misunderstood. And, yes, I do think that these three countries are a very dangerous triumvirate. The first, a dictatorship, where one wrong move and Islamic fundamentalists have nuclear weapons. The second recently used billions of dollars in U.S. military aid to displace more than a million people. The third invaded a country which never attacked it, which harbored no terrorists, and now has 200,000 hostile, aggressive troops on Iran’s border.</p>

<p>If I were Iran, I’d get my hands on a nuclear deterrent just as quick as I could, and make the biggest belligerent noises imaginable.</p>

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Mini, I thought you were a pacifist. Wouldn’t a pacifist follow the lead of another former enemy of the US and Western world, Libya and forsake nuclear weapons and become welcomed back to the rest of the world community.</p>

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<p>By definition, if I were Iran, I wouldn’t be a pacifist. But if I lived in Iran, I would be a pacifist. I understand the differences between nation-states and people, thank you.</p>

<p>But I think it would be GREAT if the U.S. dismantled more of its nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, the U.S. has lost all of its moral authority in the region, and it will take decades to win it back.</p>

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<p>I know that Golani said this a couple pages back but I had to say something.</p>

<p>Golani said “The Iranian pres gives money, weapons, training, and equipment to people so that they can kill me and my family.”</p>

<p>Do you not think that is exactly how the people in Iraq (and other countries) feel about our president?</p>

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<p>^^^ One very big difference - the money that the US gives to Iraq is to support a democratically elected government.</p>

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<p>“the money that the US gives to Iraq is to support a democratically elected government.”</p>

<p>Really? I am sure all of the dead civillians see it that way too.</p>

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<p>Both of you are wrong. The one big difference is that while terrorists recieve money from Iran to kill me and my family on purpose, others recieve america’s money to kill terrorists and unfortunately civillians die in the process.</p>

<p>I would like to mention to Mini that about a million israelis were displaced this summer too, in case he/she forget cause before she just mentioned lebanese refugees. Also you cannot compare Israel to Hezbolla/Iran in that situation because of 1. intent, and 2. israel was in self defence while hezbollah and iran were on the offence.</p>

<p>What really bothers me is that Israel would never have such a large army, it would never force evert 18 yrd old boy and girl to join the army, it would never be a nation of citizen soldiers if they were not under direct threat of genocide and annihlation. How can one expect Israel to not have an army when they are surrounded by murderous terrorists who would like nothing more than to lynch every Israeli soldier and civillian just like 2 Israeli soldiers were lynched in the Ramallah police station for making a wrong term on the road. Israel and the US are not dangerous countries, they are acting to protect themselves and the world. There would be no issue with Iran if they didnt support terror and seek WMD. It is as simple as that and you know what there would be no Israeli military strength if Iran(and other countries) did not support terror and seek WMD’s.</p>

<p>Mini, I would also like to correct your statement about the country of Iraq not harboring terrorism. If you ask I will provide some definitive hard evidence, but here is just the first thing the pops into my mind. It is the image of Saddam Hussien standing next to a middle aged Muslim mother. Her son just died, yet she isnt sad, she isnt crying but she is happy. In her eyes her son died for a great cause and she is proud. Her son is a hero. Her son took his own life. He wrapped a bomb around his waist, packed it with nails coated in rat poison, ball bearings, and glass. He then walked into to a pizzeria in Jerusalem. Took a look at the smiling faces of a 13 yeard old girl, at a grandmother, at a mom, and he blow himself up, visciously murdering everyone around him…Saddam hands the happy mother a check for 10,000 dollars, everyone is happy…Whenever someone tells me that Iraq never harbored terror thats the first image that comes to mind. Then I afcourse think about Abu Abbas. Mini, you are informed, according to many posters here so I am sure you remeber hering about this man. I am sure you remember how he hijacked an Italian cruise ship, the Achille Lauro. You probably also remember how him and his fellow terrorists threw Leo Kllinghoffer overboard. Leo Klinghoffer didnt resists. He didnt try to overthrow the terrrists hijackers but he was Jewish and American and weelchairbound so the terrorists just threw him in to the ocean and let him drown. What, Mini, you probably forgot though, and I dont blame you because as a well informed person you must have lots of inofrmation in your head, that this man, Abu Abbas, then went to Iraq where Saddam Hussein provided him with a safe place to stay. Mini, and then there was Abu Nidal. I am sure you have heard of him too. He was head of the Abu Nidal Orginization. To this mans credit and glee there are 407 confirmed murders of terror. Some of them you may even remembered hering about in the news. John Buonocore III, a college student in America, was on his way home from Rome when he got gunned down at an Italian ticket counter at the airport. Then there were Eitan Bard of Tuckahoe, New York </p>

<p>*Seldon Bard of Tuckahoe, New York </p>

<p>*Ralph H. Bosh of Madison, Connecticut </p>

<p>*Jon L. Cheshire of Old Lyme, Connecticut </p>

<p>*Jeremiah Hadley of Poughkeepsie, New York </p>

<p>*Katherine Hadley Michel of Poughkeepsie, New York </p>

<p>*Frederick Hare of Bernardsville, New Jersey </p>

<p>*Margaret Hare of Bernardsville, New Jersey </p>

<p>*Don H. Holliday of Mahwah, New Jersey </p>

<p>*Dr. Frederick Stohlman of Newton, Massachusetts </p>

<p>*Mrs. Frederick Stohlman of Newton, Massachusetts </p>

<p>who all were blown up by Abu Nidals orginization while flying over the Ocean in a TWA jet. Abu Nidal, incidently, stayed in Iraq from 1999 to 2002, when he killed himself.</p>

<p>Perhaps Mini, you remember Abdul Rahman Yasin. Thats the man who made the bomb in the 1993 world trade center attacks. Right now he is wanted by the FBI. Interestingly after 1993 he fled to Iraq for safe harbor. </p>

<p>I would keep going, but I dont have a couple days to list all of Saddam’s terrorism. But hey, according to you guys Mini is the informed poster and I am some kid who is a bigot and does not know what he is talking about, so I guess Mini is right and Saddam didnt harbor terrorism.</p>

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<p>“Both of you are wrong.” </p>

<p>Actually you are only disputing FF’s point. </p>

<p>“others recieve america’s money to kill terrorists and unfortunately civillians die in the process.”</p>

<p>While that is ok with you take a minute and see it through the family’s eyes who lose loved ones or all their neighbors or are constantly afraid that a bomb could drop because the U.S. believes there is a terrorist near by. I am guessing I wouldn’t think so highly of W if I thought he might kill me at any moment by one medium or another. It is sad that you see it one way but refuse to see it in reverse.</p>

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<p>No it isnt sad. There is an absolute moral difference between aiming a rocket at a civillians home and aiming a rocket at a terrorist who has set up camp next to civillians.</p>

<p>For example: when the allies bombed concentration camps and in the process killed Nazis, no one would dare compare the crematoria to allied bombing of the camps to ultimately liberate them.</p>

<p>In fact, if it wasn’t for a heavy totalitarian grip on certain cities and neighborhoods by these terrorist orginizations in various places people might actually blame the terrorists themselves for their problems as it has happened before. Take the city of Jericho, for an example. The Israeli military left in 1993 or 4 and handed over complete control to the PA, why? because there was no more terror emenating from the city.</p>

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<p>Mini is the kind of American our enemies like. Never has anything constructive to say about American. This from someone who even served on some government board once. </p>

<p>Years of drinking from the cup of rampant liberalism does poison some, even people with a big intellect. And I know he will feed on this direct criticism as well because how can one look out when the mirror of truth has been smeared with the deceipts of liberal ideas. A liberal treats any idea as a worthwhile one - therefore there is no truth, no right way.</p>

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<p>No liberal here. But it’s easy to see you’re just part of the Hate America crowd, willing to drop American values at the drop of a rightwing hat. </p>

<p>But why you hate America you’ve never explained.</p>

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<p>I agree, mini. You are too far left to be classified as a liberal.</p>

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<p>Edvest, hate liberals much? LOL! Talk about drinking the kool-aid!
:p:p</p>

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Sounds great, mini, but this makes little sense. Are you trying to say that you are a theoretical pacifist but that reality would make you shed that philosophy? If I’m not mistaken, nation-states are comprised of PEOPLE. How can you advocate pacifism for individuals but not for nation-states? </p>

<p>And what’s with these two statements?</p>

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If you are four-square for Iran acquiring nukes, then what’s the beef with the U.S. having them?</p>

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<p>just so sad that our lives are more valuable than anyone elses…nice…</p>

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<p>so, we are the only people to have nukes? our arrognance is boundless</p>

<p>our leadership has made no bones about hating iran and wanting them gone so what choice have we given them</p>

<p>before Bush came into power, there was a delicate balance, and some forward thinkers in Iran and now, poof, Bush has more enemies than he can count, and he seems to revel in it</p>

<p>He made a mess of Iran’s neighbors, we have basically destroyed a country for no reason, and we get all huffy when a country goes nuke…</p>

<p>its a good thing we stand by all the treaties we signed, so we have a leg to stand on</p>

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Well, I would hope that your own life and that of your family is more valuable to you than anyone else’s life. That’s called self-preservation.</p>

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<p>200,000 hostile troops onthe Iranian border? US troops? I just heard (on Public Radio, no less) we had 150,000 in all of Iraq.</p>

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<p>golani - mini is a male.</p>

<p>mini - When I lived in Iran, or Persia, as I prefer to call it (never caring much for the fact that Mr. Hitler convinced the powers there that its name should be changed to reflect the peoples’ Aryan heritage), the Iran-America Society was, to my knowledge, little more than a cultural exchange medium, where polite conversation and good manners were the order of the day. Of course that was in the Shah’s heyday, where our diplomats would joke with each other that “everything was under control” – and it was, in more ways than one! </p>

<p>You must have been there in a less civilized time…sorry to hear that.</p>

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<p>CGM, America is certaintly not the only country in the world who is allowed to have Nukes. I personally think it would be nice if no country had nukes, but alot of things sound nice but are politically impossible. Practically speaking, I do however feel that countries such as America, UK, Israel, France etc can have nukes as long as they are stable, free, and democratic countries because they will never wrongfully use them.</p>