<p>I agree completely. The islamic terrorist motivation is very deep, psycological, and in-grained with islam. He believes he is sanctioned and obligated to kill Jews or Americans. That what makes the war on terror so difficults. Its not about social stature or income, but about pure hate. Unlike the economic development of a city or region its much harder to change the hate, especially a hate that stems and is justified by their religion. Notice how most terrorists are college educated and in the middle class…</p>
<p>Here is what I objected to in golani’s post:</p>
<p>– Calling Mini’s extremely informative, personal-experience-based post “stupid”. Of course, he is free to disagree with Mini, as I often do, but that was vituperative.</p>
<p>– Playing the “Nazi” card. Always the refuge of poor argument. Plus, golani got his facts all twisted around, since the Nazis never got “angry” with the “allies” “because they were called bad people.”</p>
<p>– The statement “You are so morally bankrupt” was completely unwarranted and unsupported.</p>
<p>And this against the background that Allmusic presents.</p>
<p>I will say that I, too, am Jewish, and I, too, care deeply about the continued existence of the State of Israel. I hear plenty of “tough Jew” talk in my daily life, some from people who have the experiences to back it up, and some not. Golani’s version is particularly tinny. If he has any personal experience that informs his opinion, he has never shared them in a post here.</p>
<p>I don’t want him to go play in another room. I want him to grow up a bit and to learn the rules of polite discourse.</p>
<p>Again, there is nothing informative about saying that the real nuclear dangers in the world are the US-Israel-Pakistan. That is simply not true. For example, North Korea and Iran are more dangerous with Nuclear weapons</p>
<p>I played the Nazi cared because the comparison is apt. Imagine apologizing for the Nazi’s behavior with “America ****ed them off”. The facts are not twisted around considering had America praised Germany and been on Germany’s side, World War II would have been a little different, which is a pretty obvious statement.</p>
<p>The moraly bankrupt statement was actually well supported. You can argue with unwarranted, but it surely was well supported. Mini was trying to say that Iran is mad at America because America has called them evil. Perhaps they are mad at Iran because Iran is in fact evil. Furthermore it was a justification for a man’s desire to murder every jew, destroy Israel, and in affect kill me.</p>
<p>“Tough Jew” talk is something all of us should have after spending thousands of years being kicked around and killed. Its time we take our security into our own hands. You do not know what my personal experiences are and I do not know yours, but know this: The Iranian pres gives money, weapons, training, and equipment to people so that they can kill me and my family. So that a rocket can land on my family’s home and blow everything up in there. It is simple as that. The second you start deconstructing and apologzing for people like Ahmidenjad, you lose credibility in many peoples eyes. Like I offered before, maybe Mini or whoever can try their hand at justifying Hitler’s holocaust cause undoubtedly given the opportunity Ahmidenjaid would do the same thing Hitler had done.</p>
<p>golani you wrote,“Iran had to do alot of harm to America and to the rest of the world to be called evil.”</p>
<p>can you back that up?</p>
<p>Most of my family was wiped it in the Holocaust. When I lived in Iran, I was a practicing Jew, welcomed in religious Islamic communities all over the country. I believe that the current head of the Iranian Jewish community, who is a member of the Iranian Parliament, is a former student of mine.</p>
<p>Iran is distrustf-l of the U.S. because the latter has a documented track record of causing immense harm to its people, first under the Shah (with training of the secret police and torturers taking place in the U.S., and used in Iran under the direction of both the CIA and Mossad), and including “the Rumsfeld handshake” in causing the death of half a million people through the use of WMD - chemical weapons. And a documented record in their neighboring country of an unprovoked attack, and 200,000 hostile troops sitting on their border. Imagine a similar situation with Canada to the north and Mexico to the south, and you can begin (but just begin) to get a feel for what it might be to be an Iranian.</p>
<p>The President of Iran is, in my judgment, a fool. He calls for the elimination of the state of Israel in order to curry favor with the Arabic populace (Iranians are not Arabs); but even he has said he does NOT favor the death of Jewish people. Not that it matters - it is political speech, used in its context for specific regional political purposes, and once the Israelis and Palestinians settle their differences, speech will change. And he won’t be there forever, either. Democratic elections will throw him out the same way he came in - through a vote of the people. </p>
<p>As for “G”, I think he is best ignored. This is a PARENTS’ CAFE, and he doesn’t as far as I know carry membership. If he wishes to post, that’s his prerogative.</p>
<p>Absolutely. I woudl be more than happy to. I am not even going to mention alot of Iranian deeds like the hostages in 1979 or how he talks loveingly about the killing of Jews, but I will try to focus on the massive amounts of terrorism that Iran has inflicted on the world.</p>
<p>In 2002 the Karine 1, a boat, was intercepted in Israeli waters by Israeli authorities. The boat was stuffed with weapons. It was headed for Yasser Arafat with the help ofcourse of Iranian weapons on board and money.</p>
<p>After Hamas, a terrorist orginization, won the elections in the PA, Iran sent Hamas a nice 50 million dollar gift. </p>
<p>Iran provides weapons, training, money, and equipment to Hezbollah. Just in case you forgot who or what Hezbollah is, its group that is responsible for the 250 murders of American soldiers in Lebanon. Hezbollah is responsible for the kidnappings of Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev, two Israel reservists, from Israeli territory. Hezbollah is responsible for more than 3000 rockets launched delibarately at Israeli homes, which killed about 50 and created 100’s of thousands of Israeli refugees. Incidentally, a number of the rockets that landed in Israel were found to be manafactured in Iran. Then there was the overhead drone which bombed an Israeli Navy ship. Guess where Hezbollah got that drone? Hezbollah is responsible this summers war in Lebanon. Hezbollah is responsible for the deaths of innocent civillians in Lebanon. Hezbollah is responsible and ifamously known for fighting amongst a civillian population, often setting up base next to a school or inside of a mosque or even worse-in a hospital.</p>
<p>Iran had knowledge of the kidnapping and murder of Col. William Higgins, a US marine on a UB observor mission in Lebanon.</p>
<p>Iran had prior knowledge about the bombings of a JCC and I think Israeli embassy in Argentina in 1992 and 1994. Incidentally the act was carried out with the help of Hezbollah. Just to reiterate it is the nation of Iran, which means “Land of the Aryans”, that gave and gives money, weapons, training, and equpiment to Hezbollah.</p>
<p>Iran has offered a monetary award and a decree on the murder of Salman Rushdie a British-Indian writer wro wrote the book “Satanic Verses” about Islam.</p>
<p>Iran was the country that supported the terrorist orginization that bombed the Khobar Tower.</p>
<p>If this is not enough, please let me now and I would love to offer more about Iran.</p>
<p>Mini, can you provide me with some information about the Jew serving in the Iranian parliament.</p>
<p>Here are some articles I have read about the Iranian Jewish community, which ironically, has the most rights in any of the Middle Eastern countries- <a href=“http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iranjew.html[/url]”>http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iranjew.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iranjews.html[/url]”>http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iranjews.html</a> </p>
<p>and</p>
<p><a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews</a></p>
<p>so when have they attacked us or threaten to attack us?</p>
<p>In 1979 when they took Americans hostage, </p>
<p>In 1993 when they helped bomb the Khobar Towers</p>
<p>In the 1980’s when they helped bomb 250 American soldiers</p>
<p>Manty terrorist orginizations under the control of Iran have talked about killing Americans</p>
<p>This Iranian pres himself did the same thing just go back to one of his many quotes.</p>
<p>By the way Simba it is interesting how first you ask me to show you how Iran is a threat to the US and World and not u just want to know how it is a threat to the US</p>
<p>what has US policy done to them in the last 50 or so years?</p>
<p>Hint: before you answer read posts17-21</p>
<p>US policy never in the past 50 years has little to do with murder by the Iranian government. There can be distaste, dislike for America, but terrorism is not justfiable.</p>
<p>Then tell me hasnt US policy in the last 50 years been responsive to Iranian policies?</p>
<p>didn’t read those posts, did you?</p>
<p>No, I did. I just feel its faulty cyclical analysis. </p>
<p>But regardless of what our opinions are of 50 years ago, we have to deal with the “now”, and to do so we have to stop putting america and iran on a moral plane because they arent. Iranian government is evil. Just like the Nazis and the USSR. So lets deal with Iran and its attempts at killing Americans and Israelis.</p>
<p><a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Motamed[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Motamed</a></p>
<p>Here’s a basic rundown on Maury.</p>
<p>Apparentely many minorities are obligated to have an a representative in the parliament according to the persian constitution. Am I right?</p>
<p>If that is true it seems to me that this guy is the “token Jew” in the parliament and he has ot be pro iranian and anti-zionist. I am getting the impression that Jews in Iran are much like Jews were in the USSR to a lesser degree. The official govt policy is anti-zionist, but nevertheless all jews are discriminated against in some form, but just like the USSR there are syngagogues and just like in the USSR studying Hebrew is forbidden, and just like in the USSR there were alot of educationa, business and travel restrictions placed on the Jews.</p>
<p>golani: I just hope that you are not planning a career in foreign service. :)</p>
<p>golani,</p>
<p>In another thread, you questioned the importance of voting. I realize you may not even be old enough to vote, but still…</p>
<p>Rather than pointing out the Iranians or the terrorists or Hugo Chavez or Jimmy Hoffa or even Bigfoot cheered the election results consider the following:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>You don’t have to be against the war on terror to question our curent situation in Iraq.</p></li>
<li><p>Most of the world that we are good terms with also has their doubts about W.</p></li>
<li><p>And finally… don’t vote, don’t squeal.</p></li>
</ol>
<p>
JHS, if you go back and look at the post of mini’s that golani called stupid it was the one that implied that the US and Israel were dangerous extremist states that may have a propensity of using their nuclear weapons. Some of mini’s posts are informative, but when he gets into his sensationalist anti-American mode his posts can be rightly called “stupid”.</p>
<p>That’s not what Mini said. What he said was that Iran feels threatened by Israel and the U.S., both of which have nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, it is not “stupid” for Iran to feel threatened by Israel and the U.S. The U.S. President has included it in the “Axis of Evil”, has invaded two countries that border on Iran, and has hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground in those and other neighboring countries. Israel has attacked Iran directly (not without justification, of course, but a recent, direct, military attack). Israel (and realistically the U.S.) and Iran have been carrying on a proxy war in Lebanon for 25 years.</p>
<p>I’m not a fan of the Iranian government. At all. But to say it’s “stupid” that the Iranian government feels threatened by the U.S. and Israel is, well, pretty stupid.</p>
<p>One of the many giant gambles the U.S. took when it invaded both Afghanistan and Iraq was this: If the invasions succeeded, Iran would be under a great deal of pressure. It might be contained, it might liberalize, it might respond irrationally. Obviously, we hoped for #1 or #2. But if they failed, Iran would be the immediate, huge beneficiary, the undeniable regional power. Guess what’s happened? The combination of U.S. threat and U.S. failure has short-circuited liberalization in Iran and put its hardliners in a catbird seat we spent hundreds of billions of dollars to build for them.</p>
<p>I think the Iranian leadership is pretty evil. But I think that the U.S. has no option not to engage it diplomatically at this point (and I think both the Iranians and the Israelis know that, too).</p>
<p>JHS,</p>
<p>This is the post (27) that golani was referring to in (28):
There is no insightful information here other than mini’s attempt to relate the US, Israel and Pakistan to “extremists governments” with nuclear weapons who may have a propensity to use them. This is rubbish. Since this is nothing more than opinion, mini has a right to have that opinion. However, golani (or any clear thinking person) has a right to label that opinion as stupid or rubbish.</p>