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“If you ignore Warwick (unlike KCL, it is a top feeder to the City on par with Oxbridge and LSE) and the Scottish unis.”
“Again, not true in the case of KCL when you look at alumni acheivments and recruiting placements. You can blame “classsicm” if you want, but that somehow hasn’t stopped Warwick from being one of the top target schools for placement in the City.”
Sticking to “getting into the City, City, City” is quite a narrow argument. It is also a change in tangent and disconnect from your original MBB argument line.
If getting into the city is the singular measure of “cachet”, then we can as well all agree that LSE is the most prestigious university in the UK and has more “cachet” than Oxford and Cambridge,
That would not be true and would not be a logical argument to make.
If we applied that singular measure in the US, NYU would have more “cachet” than half of the Ivy Leagues including Yale.
So the angle you have been using to analyse prestige and “cachet” of UK universities have been faulty.
Warwick does not produce much Prime Ministers, MPs/Cabinet members, Members of the House of Lords, Judges, QCs, CEOs, Top Civil servants, Diplomats, Public appointees, University VCs etc.
It even produces far less of these than KCL does, so it is definitely affected by the Oxbridge classism as well, if not far more so.
Now, apart from the numerous professionally conducted prestige surveys of industry leaders showing that KCL has more “cachet” than Exeter, Warwick, St Andrews and Durham:
Link: Times Higher Education Employability Rankings
Link: CEO World Magazine Best Universities in The World
Link: Times Higher Education Reputation Rankings
Link: Round University Rankings Reputation Rankings
I suggest you also go on TSR and do a crude and simple analysis of the universities people are chatting and buzzing to get offers for. You will find that the order of the universities with most activities … and anxieties … by counting number of pages of discussion threads about 2020 offers are:
Removed Source Link: The Student Room’s website “Home > Forums > Universities and HE colleges”
- Oxford 501
- Cambridge 393
- LSE 225
- Durham 160
- Imperial 122
- UCL 118
- KCL 107
- St Andrews 84
- Edinburgh 67
- Warwick 52
- Bristol 44
- Manchester 36
- Nottingham 33
- Glasgow 23
- Lancaster 22
- Leeds 20
- York 19
- Birmingham 16
- Sheffield 14
- Exeter 13
Note: Only Durham broke the “Golden Triangle” dominance.
Compare KCL to Exeter and Warwick above and see the gap please.
Exeter’s pages are almost DEAD; only 13 pages of discussions after 6 months and no discussions in the last 3 days, despite its “cachet”?
How can universities which undergraduate applicants are not buzzing much to go to have more “cachet”? I don’t understand.
That is just a simple and crude measure, I can give you more that will further reveal more to you if you want. Your measures of prestige are just too narrow and does not work.
There is no way anyone can argue logically that Exeter or Warwick (especially) are more prestigious and have more “cachet” than KCL.
I excluded Durham and St Andrews in that statement because someone could try and argue those in the UK context, but the person would still be wrong though. I am afraid Exeter and Warwick will not fly at all; seeing that argument really shocked me.
If you want more insights, please ask. I am available to give you more.