Late to the party (are families really going 150 to 200k in debt for undergrad?)

There are plenty of very smart kids at State flagships and opportunities for the exceptional to shine, even in a very large school. My D went to her flagship for free on scholarships and now is getting her PhD at Stanford with full funding. If the student plans on post grad then save the expensive out of state school for later. I think a lot of recognition came from being in the Honors college and doing undergrad research in my daughter’s case.