<p>Do you think that Yale will accept more females than usual this year who are strong in math/science to try to prove that they are more friendly to females than Harvard? I’m sure most colleges know that the media would LOVE a story about how the Ivies (not just Harvard) are hostile to women in the sciences… I really really hope this affects their decisions as it’s probably my only hope of getting into Yale. Any thoughts?</p>
<p>STANFORD not good enough for you, marlgirl?</p>
<p>What was the thinking about applying SCEA to Stanford if it wasn’t your first choice? Was it a tactical thing?</p>
<p>If you preferred Yale, wouldn’t it have made more sense to apply SCEA to Yale, or were you playing the percentages?</p>
<p><a href="http://www./2009/display.php?user=marlgirl%5B/url%5D">http://www./2009/display.php?user=marlgirl</a></p>
<p>Can’t a person have more than 1 option when it comes to colleges? Geez, Byerly, get a grip.</p>
<p>I liked Stanford and Yale a lot but clearly could only apply to one early. I’ve basically had three first choice schools all along: Stanford, Swarthmore and Yale. I simply couldn’t decide which one to apply to early for a very long time (well, no Swarthmore since it was ED), and eventually decided that the tie breaker would be which school I thought was more likely to accept me. I figured if I applied early to Stanford there was a good shot, although I might reduce my chances at Yale whereas if I applied early to Yale I might not get in there and then I might have reduced my chances at Stanford. Normally I’d be against playing the percentages, as you put it, but since I really just couldn’t decide between the two schools it seemed like a more logical choice than just filling a coin.</p>
<p>Do you understand the question?</p>
<p>She applied SCEA to Stanford, which would seem to indicate that it was her first choice, if only by the narrowest of margins. She was admitted.</p>
<p>Yet now, she seems to prefer Yale. Fine. She’s gotta right.</p>
<p>My curiosity relates to her thinking process: did she change her mind about Stanford, for some reason?</p>
<p>Did she apply there for tactical reasons? ie, a greater chance of gaining admissions, for some reason, so as to have a “bird in hand”?</p>
<h2>If Yale was the clear choice all along, wouldn’t it have been smarter to apply <em>there</em> SCEA, when the admit rate was at least twice as high as it will be RD?</h2>
<p>EDIT: Thanks for answering. marlgirl. Your tactical approach makes sense under the circumstances. If I had been your college counselor, I would have recommended the precise course of action you followed.</p>
<p>This is why Harvard’s early action apps plummeted from 7,600 to 3,889 after it switched from open EA to SCEA a year ago. All of a sudden, people couldn’t be applying early to Georgetown, Chicago etc at the same time. </p>
<p>When you realize the huge admit rate difference between SCEA/ED and RD at top elites, you think twice about “wasting” an early app at a school where you fear you have no chance.</p>
<p>I’m not sure if I would choose Yale if admitted even at this point… I’m not sure I’d say I prefer Yale. I just would really like the option of attending Yale next year and then be able to decide for myself which school is better for my needs. </p>
<p>Also, in the fall that I was a bit worried that Yale wouldn’t be as strong as Stanford in math/physics, although after talking to several people it seems like this is far less of a problem than I thought. My interest in Yale has actually increased a bit since the fall. </p>
<p>Anyway… any thoughts on how his comments will affect admissions? Or if they will at all?</p>
<p>I seriously doubt that Yale would factor Summers’ comments in their admissions…that said, I think that girls applying as physical science/math majors do have a small bump since Yale doesn’t get <em>that</em> many applications in that area.</p>
<p>But Yale can get away with having a large majority of potential physical science/math majors be boys… I think I read somewhere that only like 20% of students major in math/sciences. You can imagine that a lot of those are bio majors. So the remaining students could be mostly boys without throwing off the balance across campus. Whereas at Stanford if about 50% of students major in sciences or engineering… if 80% of those students were male then only 20% of the humanities majors would be male… it would be VERY noticeable. And yes, I know I’ve thought about this too much.</p>
<p>Yale seems to have been ignoring the whole debacle, which I think is a good thing. It would be disreputable and underhanded to try to lure students away from Harvard because of a situation like this (a situation which I think has been blown entirely out of proportion, to be honest). If I’m not mistaken, a few weeks/months ago, I heard of a few Harvard professors “putting themselves out there” (i.e., up for grabs by Yale, Princeton, etc.) because they were upset about the situation, and someone (I think it was President Levin) responded that Yale would try no such tactics. This, to me, is a similar thing, so don’t expect to get in just because of the Summers mess. At any rate, you have a fabulous choice at the moment, one that many students right now would kill for, so don’t worry.</p>
<p>Nobody is paying the matter “considerable attention” except YOU, ashligee.</p>
<p>And I suspect that when the smoke clears by Labor Day, Harvard will have received more applications per admission than any other elite - as per usual.</p>
<p>Moreover, they will have a more qualified class in terms of SAT median than any other Ivy. and that they will, as usual, have taken the overwhelming majority of common admits from SYPM.</p>
<p>Marlgirl played the odds just right to maximize her chances of admission to an elite in terms of applications per admission - with Stanford the best bet and Yale the second best.</p>
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Surely you of all people must know that this method of “measuring” an elite university’s class is hollow and relatively meaningless.</p>
<p>I think he was talking mainly about the attention’s effect on admission, but he was still a little off, and you do have a valid point.</p>
<p>“Marlgirl played the odds just right to maximize her chances of admission to an elite in terms of applications per admission - with Stanford the best bet and Yale the second best.”</p>
<p>hmm, i’m going to ask about a hackneyed issue but please bear with me. OKay, adcoms would like to have us believe that the higher percentage of EA acceptees reflects the strength of the pool. Is that all, though? To what extent are EA applicants given a secret “boost”? Do you think that some EA admits would have been rejected if they’d applied RD?</p>
<p>I truly believe the only “boost” (if boost it can be called) EA applicants receive is this: if the message sent by an early application is consistent with obvious enthusiasm in the application, the admission officers will know the applicants are committed, in a way, to the school. They want people who really want to be there, not people who really want to be accepted.</p>
<p>And no, I do not believe that some EA acceptees would be rejected in the regular round.</p>
<p>Yes, I do think that some people are accepted EA who would be rejected RD. MOST accepted EA applicants would have a very good chance anyway, but I do think there is an advantage to EA, certainly the demonstrated interest in the school, but maybe even a small push beyond that.</p>
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I wouldn’t exaggerate this…after all, Harvard is still, well, Harvard. Larry Summers doesn’t change that. If they’re truly incensed about the whole thing, they might choose to go to Harvard and start a group of undergraduates pushing from within for Summers’ resignation.</p>
<p>go back to the “women's issues” thread and check how many actually support your position ashligee…and how many were posted by you.</p>
<p>Ashligee is a one-woman gang when it comes to attacking Larry Summers on the Harvard threads. Now she has drifted over here looking for soulmates because she was essentially scorned by those who saw through her game in “the other place.”</p>
<p>It is rather pathetic to think that you can boost the reputation of one school very much by bashing another. It doesn’t often translate that way. The more Yalies scream “Harvard Sucks” the more Harvard applicants are convinced they’ve made the right choice.</p>
<p>Indeed, if this device were to succeed, then technical applicants like Marlgirl - who just wants to get into Yale by hook or by crook - could be hurt.</p>
<p>Lets say Ashligee’s conspiracy theory of a feminist revolt holds and thousands of female applicants decline admission to Harvard in favor of Yale, and that Yale anticipates the crush of previously unanticipated matriculants.</p>
<p>Who gets hurt? Why its our old friend Marlgirl! Why should Yale bother about romancing a known EA admit to Stanford when Lady Lemmings are deserting the Good Ship Harvard in droves for paradise in New Haven!</p>
<p>Nope. If I’m Marlgirl, I’m telling Ashligee to sit down and shut up!</p>
<p>actually, his name is Larry Summers, not Lawrence.</p>
<p>“Indeed, if this device were to succeed, then technical applicants like Marlgirl - who just wants to get into Yale by hook or by crook - could be hurt.” </p>
<p>Thanks. That is very kind of you. </p>
<p>“Why should Yale bother about romancing a known EA admit to Stanford when Lady Lemmings are deserting the Good Ship Harvard in droves for paradise in New Haven!” </p>
<p>In theory they wouldn’t know I got into Stanford… I certainly didn’t tell them that. If they waste their time looking on college boards to see who got in where then I guess they could figure out that it’s me. </p>
<p>“actually, his name is Larry Summers, not Lawrence.”</p>
<p>Thanks, thatsme. That’s what happens when you copy/paste assuming that your friend knows what he/she is talking about… I’ve never been great with names, it sounded close enough, so I assumed my friend knew what Mr. Summers first name was. Guess he didn’t.</p>