<p>OP had an SAT criteria. SUNY Bing SAT’s may be higher than that criteria…even for out of state.</p>
<p>Oops…just re-read OP. Noted a baseline SAT…and Bing should be at that level, or higher.</p>
<p>Geneseo’s 25th-75th percentile scores are actually slightly higher than Binghamton’s: 1220-1390 for Geneseo vs. 1200-1370 for Binghamton. And Geneseo might be considered a somewhat hidden gem because it’s smaller and more remote, so might be off the radar screen for some students. Our hs sends very talented kids there every year. It’s considered an excellent option hereabouts.</p>
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<p>I would like to have searched using total cost of attendance (rather than tuition) and 75th percentile student stats (rather than 25th percentile student stats), but those were not offered as search options.</p>
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<p>Actually, it was just a cut and paste error on my part that SUNY at Albany and SUNY at Binghamton are missing in the first post (they are in the list at the link).</p>
<p>“Less obvious” meant other than in-state public universities and community colleges, which are the most obvious low cost choices. (The public schools in this list are based on out-of-state tuition being under $20,000 per year.)</p>
<p>Steve and Haystack - St. Olaf has been working on what they call “value added” programs. They have a very strong focus on vocational discernment (not just religious but for everyone) experiential learning, mentorships, research, officially organized networking and job connections etc. When we get all the aid packages back we will be making that same decision. In our case for my daughter, I think there really is additional “value” at StO beyond the degree. I think she would really benefit from that articulated discernment, advising and launching program. They are an LAC which intends to graduate marketable students with jobs, and it would be hard to float around and get off course there. If it ends up being substantially more, though, we will have to decide how much the budget can support but also the “value proposition” of those things that are unique there.</p>
<p>How about Oklahoma City University?</p>
<p>For conservatory training in dance or music, you can add Suny Purchase, CSU Long Beach, and New World School of the Arts in FL.</p>
<p>Good thread. I don’t have much to add but will be keeping an eye on it. FWIW, DS#3 is a current high school junior. For some reason my kids don’t do well with in-state public admissions. <em>Much</em> better success with privates and OOS publics. Appy State will definitely be on his application list (OOS for us). We know some kids who are having good experiences there, and while it is remote, Boone is supposed to be gorgeous. Probably UNC-W too, although we’ve heard of some kids flushing out of there because of the party/beach scene. I also read on another CC forum about Minnesota trying to attract OOS students–cost is only $5,000 more than for in-state.</p>
<p>“only” 5k more OOS for MN being a deal would imply that if is way better or offers opportunities that kid’s own in-state does not. Otherwise, kid is paying a 5k admissions premium to subsidize in state kids. That can make admissions a bit more friendly unless it’s one of the “public ivy” group. MN tuition and fees for OOS is about 18k and COA is about 29k. That is way more than any of our in-state schools (WA).
From what we have seen, the states and schools that are essentially giving away education in the form of OOS full-tuition scholarships in numbers more that just a couple are places that need more high stats kids. It’s a deal where those kids raise the academic profile of the school and maybe stick around to raise the profile of the surrounding community after graduation. If the education is free or almost free, importing high stats kids means that they aren’t growing enough at home.</p>
<p>saintfan-while your search may have resulted in St. Olaf’s “unique” value added programs, it is not unique to other schools in the area. I agree it’s a nice option and worth considering but hardly “unique”. It is a “marketing tool” for the school and pretty much available everywhere, just called something else.</p>
<p>Op - Great list.</p>
<p>So far in our findings, when looking at COA, in general the southern and mid-west schools, excluding FL, have been $2k-$3k LESS for room and board. </p>
<p>This can be especially important for LACs that have +75% living on campus since you are basically locked into a meal plan and housing.</p>
<p>Geneseo was a top school thirty years ago when I worked in the SUNY system. It may be gaining regionally over the years, but it has been well respected in New York for decades.</p>
<p>University of Maryland Baltimore County (UMBC) has also been on the rise and many very good students from around here choose it. It also is generous with merit money. It has special merit scholarships for science, the arts, and public service/political science studies. It also has the Meyerhof scholarship program-- interviewing this weekend–that provides scholarships to get kids into STEM fields and continue to higher levels of education. Many Meyerhof Scholars are minority students, but not all.</p>
<p>My son was recently accepted there. However, the down side ( for darling, Mr. Big Fun son) is that it attracts a high number of nerdy kids and more serious students. Many of the kids I know who have selected UMBC had been accepted to schools with more recognizable names, but the money was not there for them. Its campus resembles many of those in the SUNY system with lots of red brick and not much style.</p>
<p>just this week… (following a rhodes scholar a few months ago) i would definitely call these good students!</p>
<p>2 out of 15 nationwide…from uab sci/tech honors!!
[UAB</a> - Wheeler, Todd awarded prestigious UNCF/Merck scholarships](<a href=“Wheeler, Todd awarded prestigious UNCF/Merck scholarships - News | UAB”>Wheeler, Todd awarded prestigious UNCF/Merck scholarships - News | UAB)</p>
<p>OK Steve, not necessarily “unique” as in different from every other school out there, but certainly different from some state schools and others to which D has applied. If the choice is large state research or safety lower selectivity LAC vs St. O at similar cost I will consider some of that personal touch to be “unique” for sure.</p>
<p>Adelphi University on Long Island is a great school overall, and has several top-notch academic and arts programs. It has an excellent Honors College. COA is about $38K tops; there are several large merit scholarships that are pretty much automatic for high achieving students, such as $27K X 4yr Trustee scholarship, bringing cost down to than most instate options.</p>
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<p>Minnesota’s out of state cost of attendance is lower than some state universities’ in state cost of attendance.</p>
<p>Which states charge >18k tuition in state?</p>
<p>ucubalumuns-which states have in state costs higher than $28K (total costs)?</p>
<p>State universities with high (> $29,000 per year) in-state costs of attendance:</p>
<p>University of California (some of them)
University of Illinois - Urbana Champaign for arts, science, or engineering majors</p>
<p>Love Minnesota! In Pennsylvania, Penn State and Pitt have higher in-state COA than Minn out-of-state. PSU currently holds the position of “our nation’s most expensive in-state flagship”, with Pitt close behind - big increases last year, with another one to come soon.</p>
<p>These all have a total cost of $28000 or greater.</p>
<p>The Richard Stockton College of New Jersey
Miami University-Oxford
New Jersey Institute of Technology
Pennsylvania State University-Main Campus
Temple University
University of California-Berkeley
University of California-Davis
University of California-Irvine
University of California-Los Angeles
University of California-Merced
University of California-Riverside
University of California-Santa Barbara
University of California-Santa Cruz
University of Pittsburgh-Pittsburgh Campus</p>
<p>I have a list of possible gems that includes some on ucbalumnus list but didn’t include cost as a factor. Mine is based on acceptance and graduation rates and a good portion are not “hidden”. [50-50</a> College Listing](<a href=“http://diycollegerankings.com/50-50-college-listing-intro/]50-50”>50-50 College List) I’ve been doing individual reviews of some of the schools and have been amazed at what you can find at schools you’ve never heard of.</p>