Liberal Studies Program

Let me start off with saying that NYU was a safety school for our son. 760 on both Math and Reading SATS, top 10% of his class and a 4.62 weighted GPA.

We were thrilled to find out he was admitted last week. Upon closer inspection, we realized he was admitted into the Liberal Studies Core Program…When I called to find out what this program was all about and why he was placed into it, I was told that the classes are smaller and he would have the opportunity to travel. After talking with 3 admissions counselors, I am still unclear why this program exists and why my son was placed into it. After reading other posts, It seems as though this program serves as as an “overflow pool” to benefit NYU and by keeping the class size smaller in the College of Arts and Sciences. Otherwise, why wouldn’t they admit everyone into the College of Arts and Sciences? Nobody that I spoke with could answer this question. Many other schools also have ways of managing overflow such as Spring admittance at Middlebury or a first semester abroad at Northeastern. It seems as thought NYU could be more transparent when offering this program to applicants. The name is very confusing as well. I would venture to guess that many students think they have been accepted into the 4 year liberal arts program and may even accept before realizing what it is exactly.

After doing a bit of research, my understanding is that the professors are not at the same level as the professors in the college of Arts and Sciences and they are not tenured.

I found this article very helpful although it is a few years old.
http://nyulocal.com/on-campus/2011/02/07/the-liberal-studies-program-explained/

Not only was NYU a safety, after getting some of my D other acceptances I actually told her she was NOT ALLOWED to go to NYU. I consider myself an academic snob…and it was the LSP/GLS program that convinced us to choose NYU over other acceptances including Princeton, University of Edinburgh, King’s College London, Univ of Chicago, St. Andrews, UCLA, etc… it’s actually very difficult to get into LSP. You have to show an aptitude for a foreign language (given) and global awareness. Here is write up I did on another thread. I hope it’s helpful.

Almost everything I could think to share about NYU, NYU London, GLS and transferring out of GLS. I hope this LONG post helps!

Acceptance:
The reason they ask what city is to see if you “would be willing” to live in another city Freshman year. Think of it this way, they have limited space to educate and house students in NYC, with multiple locations around the world, they can accept more students because they can start them “off campus” so-to-speak. There is attrition from year to year, so starting students in Florence, Paris and London gives NYU time to experience some attrition and still keep their numbers high… that’s my take anyway.

My daughter was given an acceptance on the CONDITION that she spend her first year in London… it may seem that you could do the GLS Program and start in NYC, but I think the majority of students start in either London, Paris or Florence. Year 2 is in NYC. Year 3 is split between 2 locations and you can choose from a pretty big list including: Berlin, Buenos Aires, Tel Aviv, Florence, Madrid, Paris, Shanghai, etc. Then Year 4 is back in NYC. Now, that said, you can apply to study abroad Sophomore year and there is an accelerated BA/MA that could have you abroad again for all/part (?) of Senior+ year.

In short if you start in London, it might look like this:

F: London
S: NYC
J: Madrid/Paris
S: NYC

Location Update:
It does seem that NYU will start some students in NYC freshman year now.

Budget:
Once in London, it’s more expensive that you think. Even after all of her tuition and housing is paid for… on an EXTREME budget it is costing about £140 a week for food, laundry, tube, and minimal fun. This does not include travel, pubs, major clothing or extra tube trips to other neighborhoods. So… make sure you are well financed. Do NOT use their “estimate of what is costs to live in London” I have NO IDEA where they got that!

The GLS Program is extremely expensive in a number of ways, first, if you receive “room & board” in your financial aid, you don’t get any “board” or food. At least not in London. You pay for all your food, shopping, etc. My daughter is living sparingly on about £140/week. Keep in mind, when you are located in London that Paris is a 3 hr train ride away, Scotland is a bus ride and everywhere in the UK/Europe is in your backyard so you’ll want to factor in those expenses.

Also, factor in the 5 weeks they have off for winter break. That is either a trip home or travel, housing and food for 35 days…

Budget Update March 2015:
Also, just a money head’s up… living in London is much more expensive (about $8k) over the financial allowance for NYC. However, if you have aid, scholarships, grants, Parent Loans, etc… NYU adjusts for your living expenses and increases your aid. Also, completely as a surprise, my daughter received an additional $4k scholarship weeks before classes started so don’t decide to not pursue the GLS program simply because of money. If you are trying to budget… realistically above housing… it has cost her about £20 A DAY to live. This covers food (which you have to pay for separately), transportation (Cab, Uber or Oyster card for tube/buses), clothing, personal care, laundry, books, etc. It’s not inexpensive to go there… but knowing it was £20/DAY would have been really valuable information. A lot of the nightlife (yes, parents they will go out) is free for girls and about £20 to get in for boys…so the fellas might need a bit more money. Finally, there is a fall King Arthur trip which I highly recommend, that is $225 extra and then there is the Fall break - my daughter traveled to Glasgow and Edinburgh (budget about £40/DAY with bus fare, airbnb, food, tickets, etc. There is winter break, we flew her home… $1200 RT, but many kids travel throughout Europe, then there is Spring Break for 10 days so another £40/DAY - she chose Krakow and visiting Auschwitz… then there is staying for the first month of summer for Glastonbury. Her total expenses for SCHOOL were $76,100 Freshman year. We sent an additional £600 PER MONTH (about $1000) and she’s been frugal but had a VERY good time. We were lucky and she received a lot of financial aid, but even a FULL RIDE (which she didn’t get) leaves about $10,000 in daily living expenses. I imagine ALL of the other campuses are less (except perhaps Paris) but it was worth it to us to have live, really LIVE in the UK and Europe for her Freshman year. After all, at what other point in her life would this be possible. If it makes it easier to see how this is affordable, she received a full scholarship for tuition ($36k) and scholarships/grants (NOT LOANS) for $56k of the $76k. We did take out loans for $20k and send her $10k in monthly money… but we felt the $30k was worth it for the experience. It’s a family decision… but I found it impossible to get this transparent of information when we were looking, so I hope this helps!

Re: Internships
My daughter just started her position in London at a web brokerage company but she found this on her own. There doesn’t seem to be anything set up at the London location to facilitate internships, but there doesn’t seem to be much time for them (at least as a freshman). You are doing your classes not only in the historic Bloomsbury campus, but in the National Gallery, Parliament, and taking several trips to UK historic sites.

Re: Academics
For my daughter who was IR but is switching to Philosophy, staying the GLS Program wasn’t really an option, so if you are afraid of that, don’t be. That said, I sort of wish she would stay in there (not possible for Pre-Health, IR, etc) because the GLS Program has a concentration called Politics, Rights and Development which may be right up her alley and she can do cross-school minor in Philosophy or Econ… but alas, she gets to choose! It is a tough decision to walk away from Paris, Madrid, etc. and spend 3 winters in NYC… but it’s all good. NYU has done an exception job putting together this global program, but also making it easy for students to transfer out if they WANT and stay in and find a close major if they WANT. For my daughter, the IR Major is an Honors major and she not only would have to transfer out but take required electives her freshman year in order to transfer out and NYU London made sure she knew about those electives and she took them. They really have this process wired. My daughter’s advisor in the GLS Program is very knowledgable about the IR Major and what they look for when you apply… so it seemed she would have been well-positioned. Many of her friends are Communication or Journalism majors, many, many are Pre-Health and yes, they have the prerequisite classes in London anyway. Basically, I don’t believe doing the GLS CORE Program the first two years will in anyway adversely impact your overall educational goals unless you have your heart set on Tisch or Stern, those are more difficult to transfer into, but it’s not impossible. Happy to answer any other questions on London or the GLS Program from our limited knowledge and experience so far.

Part II:

If you get accepted and DECIDE TO GO (V. IMPORTANT):
NOTE there is A LOT to do and it needs to be done immediately and there is not room for delay or negotiation. Most notably, the Student Visa process. Once you accept, you’ll get info about a month later… from that MOMENT on the clock is ticking and you’ll be hard pressed to get your student visa in time if you delay anything even a week. There are a lot of things they say like, “Get your Biometrics done” but they neglect to say getting an appointment could take 10-20 days. So… watch your email and create a very thorough To Do list. Look at that list daily, do things far in advance of when you think.

Other than that, it’s amazing. It is everything she hoped for and more. It is an exceptional program and allows not only for travel, but cross-school double minors, double majors, etc. My daughter will most likely stay in the GLS program (instead of transferring Junior year for International Relations) in the Politics,Rights and Development Concentration with a minor either in Law & Society through CAS (College of Arts and Sciences - Department of Sociology) or a minor in The Business of Political Economy through Stern. Anyway, if you have ANY questions at all, don’t hesitate to ask! Good Luck!

Update on Academics:
Daughter has now decided to major in Philosophy in pursuit of Law School – ah … the beauty of youth and changing your mind! So, NOW, she will plan on transferring to CAS.

NYU London Specific:
Regarding libraries, etc. in London… NYU London is closely linked to the University of London system, you can use their libraries, go to their events and join their societies and clubs. My daughter wrote an article about London and her first year living abroad if it helps:

http://kirramagazine.com/a-visitors-guide-to-london/

Great post Emtou. My son is also well within range at NYU and got into another comparable school. I spoke with admissions officers…he was placed in GLS because we have lived in three continents, he knows another language and because of his specific academic strengths and stated interests. I’m not sure he will got o NYU because NYC has always been a part of our life and he is considering a more traditional college experience, but the program itself is fantastic and as a parent, I would love to see him flourish in such an environment. Brown and Georgetown have started the same program. I will say, though, that NYU has failed in marketing this program and should probably be less coy about their clear strategy to build a global campus. The only reason my son might not go to NYU is because his alternative is equally enticing for completely different reasons.