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I agree with this a million percent. I wonder if other people realize that they are defending illegal aliens. Why do you think they’re called illegal? It’s breaking the law, and they deserve consequences. By not giving them a punishment, we’re simply advocating that the law isn’t the law anymore.</p>
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I am most definitely a Christian and would most definitely deport them.</p>
<p>I’m not sure that I would deport them. I can’t say that for sure without knowing the facts. I would, however, levy a serious fine and conviction against her.</p>
<p>“I wonder if other people realize that they are defending illegal aliens. Why do you think they’re called illegal?.”</p>
<p>They are no more “illegal” than you are until so adjudged by a court of law.</p>
<p>I say deport her, but first give her back all the taxes she paid, especially the Social Security taxes.</p>
<p>padad, you have to be the most liberal person I have ever encounted on this board. To each his own… By your standards there should be no immigration policy in place or would it just be an a la carte thing where we get to pick and choose which laws to enforce?</p>
<p>Can we deduct any services provided to the woman and her child by the taxpayers?
There’s a legitimate case to be made that returnees often bring education and skills back to their communities that they wouldn’t have done had they stayed here.</p>
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Padad is very sensitive to what he perceives as inappropriate treatment of people who are not white.</p>
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So. If I went and stole a hundred bucks from somebody’s house, but never got caught and was never “adjudged by a court of law,” it wouldn’t be illegal? Huh.</p>
<p>^I was going to say something to that effect, but you said it much better than I could have.</p>
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<p>Not many…you can file taxes without a SSN (the IRS will give you a special number), but she probably couldn’t get a good job without a SSN. The only way to work would be to be hired by someone who would hire you knowing your illegal work status. </p>
<p>Marrying a US citizen?</p>
<p>“So. If I went and stole a hundred bucks from somebody’s hosue, but never got caught and was never “adjudged by a court of law,” it wouldn’t be illegal? Huh.”</p>
<p>You are innocent until proven guilty. Regardless of your “opinion”, that is the law. I doubt you’d want to change it. </p>
<p>And until then, you are as “illegal” as she is.</p>
<p>Right, I think she must have viewed it as a necessary evil for the sake of herself, her child, and her community. She did not choose to come here, I don’t understand how people can act so callously towards her. I consider myself a pretty good person, but I can’t say I would have acted much better in her situation. She was put in a horrible place.</p>
<p>Using private medical records to reveal her status…I don’t like the sound of that at all.</p>
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<p>But (a) who is responsible? Certainly not her victim. Her own government, that’s who, and we are enabling it to continue to exploit its most vulnerable citizens.</p>
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That is ridiculous. Some other people may think of me as being “innocent until proven guilty,” because in our court system, that’s just the way it is. HOWEVER. In my own mind, I would KNOW that I broke the law, because that’s exactly what I would have done, and in that instance, I definitely did something illegal. Just because somebody isn’t convicted of the crime, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they didn’t do it. If they did, they still did something illegal.</p>
<p>“HOWEVER. In my own mind, I would KNOW that I broke the law, because that’s exactly what I would have done, and in that instance, I definitely did something illegal. Just because somebody isn’t convicted of the crime, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they didn’t do it. If they did, they still did something illegal.”</p>
<p>It is not proven that she has broken the law until she is convicted.</p>
<p>What is in your mind is irrelvant, unless “criminal intent” is part of the statute (and, as it turns out, it is NOT in the case of illegal immigration).</p>
<p>Zoosermom, I think her parents and her government are both responsible here. I don’t think that deporting her would be just.</p>
<p>mini - so if I was an illegal alien from Mexico, and I knew that I had crossed into the country illegally, I shouldn’t consider myself to be an illegal alien? - - - If that were the case, I definitely would consider myself as one, and I wouldn’t be upset or offended if somebody else thought of me as an illegal, even if I hadn’t been convicted of the crime. All the time, true criminals get off because they “weren’t convicted,” but that doesn’t mean that in truth they didn’t break the law.</p>
<p>I haven’t made up my mind on this one, and typically I’m for the full enforcement of immigration laws. Is there some provision by which she could have applied for a visa and for permanent status while remaining in the U.S.? </p>
<p>Nevertheless, what disturbs me [and a great many others, I suspect] is that the immigration laws are not being applied equally. And that folks who continue to ‘wait in line’ to reside in the U.S. expend a lot of time, effort and heartache to follow the existing law. Moreover, I know that many folks resent the fact that undocumented immigrants often violate various [non-immigration and non-violent] ordinances, etc. and do so without consequence because the authorities abandon and do not pursue cases against them.</p>
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As I said, I haven’t reached the point of advocating deportation for her, but certainly for her parents. As you pointed out, they are responsible.</p>