Life after college

@dad3sons: I won’t repeat my post about careers being more like “climbing walls” than like “ladders.” But it’s important to realize that college is more like building a skill-set, tools, some specific knowledge, and contacts, than it is like training for a specific job. Broader training, having skills on both the verbal/expressive and quantitative (mathematical and statistical) side of things will really help in the future.

The economy is constantly changing, which means it offers possibilities for those who have multiple skills and who are ambitious and willing to take some risks.

Here are two career lines. I know these two cases well.

(a) College (major university – economics) —> economic consulting (first job) —>baseball statistical analyst & writer —>political statistical analyst & writer —>journalist/editor and book author.

(b) College (art school – industrial design major) —>industrial designer (first job) —>MBA + MS in sustainable systems (3 years) —>consultant in environmental design (startup), and adjunct professor.

Here’s my career line. Much simpler.

© BA (liberal arts college) —>PhD (major university) —>university professor (two universities) —> retired.

There’s another current thread that explores this topic in considerable detail.

One point made on that thread is that even those who place a high value on such independence may want to offer some flexibility in how it is achieved. For example, @MiamiDAP, your daughter is a medical student, right? There will probably be a gap of several weeks between her graduation and the beginning of her residency. Will you allow her to live with you during that gap period (or at least until the lease starts on her new apartment)? Will you and your spouse help her with her moving expenses and the initial cost of her new apartment (first and last month’s rent, furniture, etc.)? Will you co-sign her lease if her landlord won’t accept her as a tenant without a guarantor? Will you help her financially if she ends up with a residency in a suburban area, where she will need a car long before she will have earned the money to pay for one (or perhaps even to qualify for a car loan)?

In my opinion, families rarely think about these issues until they arise. And then they may be caught by surprise. We parents often think that our kids will be on their own the moment they graduate. But even for those with solid plans for the future, this is not always the case.

Pretty sure lots of people know about a well known person who fits this description.

Probably true. Lesson in both cases is that the undergraduate major does not translate directly into a career. It provides a skill-set and credentials. But the career is built not just on these but on certain personal abilities, interests, ambition, flexibility, and luck.

Maybe your life would have been different, perhaps not, but as you know that is something you can still change.

I think these are great questions although I will say, to a degree, the job market our kids are graduating into is different than it was for many of us. In both good and bad ways.

For myself, BA from highly regarded state flagship, changed majors once, graduated on time. I worked throughout college, paid for my tuition and all expenses other than room and board, as a result was unable to apply for or compete for non paid internships in my field (and back then, all of them were unpaid). I had loans but not horrendous ones. I waited tables and then worked as a restaurant manager until my marriage to a med student where…I waited tables and then worked as a manager as that would pay more than any entry level job in my then desired field and we had only the one income to live on. I moved from restaurant manager into wine sales and from there into other sales, then management, then marketing and into business development management positions for everything from Fortune 500 companies, to small start ups, to successful niche mid sized companies. The combination of the experience chain, leveraging opportunities as they presented themselves as well as the skills gained from my degree (Poly Sci) has led to an interesting and largely rewarding career path. As my career progressed the school on my resume mattered a bit more but the actual job experience was a far bigger factor. As my career progressed, the lack of an MBA, or MA/MS did occasionally present itself as an opportunity hindrance…but not a salary one if that makes sense. I couldn’t see the return on the investment for me as a result. I will say in hindsight, I do not think I remotely appreciated how highly my flagship was (is) regarded, nor did I try to leverage the career center at all. A downside of a large school is taking advantage of many of those things is completely student driven. You might not even know it really existed.

For my H (not the med student lol), BS from a well regarded state school, MS from a medium regarded state school, funded by his company and MBA from a well regarded private, also funded by his company. He changed/transferred schools in undergrad to get away from a party atmosphere and a better program for his area (aerospace). Graduated on time. No loans. In his case, 100% career in his chosen area and most of it with the same company.

SS11 has a degree in music technology with a business minor. Currently trying to start his own business. We will see how that goes. Has had zero help from his college with internships/jobs but to be fair, I cannot say he has really tried all that hard, being far more focused on his idea. We are not funding it, he is working his version of waiting tables and all funds going to towards his venture. He, in particular is not convinced that he needed to get a degree and that it matters. We wholeheartedly disagree. Even if he never does anything technically in his field (though his venture very much is), the ability to study, learn, network, speak, write, engage at a higher level is something that will hold you back in many cases if you don’t have it. It is much much more difficult to pursue a path without that entry level degree behind your name. Any path. Not out of the question but the odds are not in your favor, even if it’s just a 2 year technical degree. Can you get a job? Yes. A career? Maybe not. That wasn’t as much the case for my generation but I really do think it’s a different world now.

SD14 is in her sophomore year but has stuck with the same major, Biology (penalties for changing at her specific school can be significant timeline wise) but seems very happy with it so far. Far too early to say what that means career path wise for her as it is likely grad school is in her future.

SS11 and SD14 do not have any loans. I acutally think this is not ideal as there is no incentive to work and be self sustaining right away. I don’t think big loans are good, but a small one…enough to light a fire…I very much support that. I do not know yet if S17 and S20 will end up with loans but it is possible.

"our daughter is a medical student, right? There will probably be a gap of several weeks between her graduation and the beginning of her residency. Will you allow her to live with you during that gap period (or at least until the lease starts on her new apartment)? "

  • I was OK with her living with us, but she did not. It was no time for her to come home. She just stayed where she was (in different city). It does not really matter. Medical School is a special case because everybody has a job after medical school.

    What I meant by my comments was that graduate actually should have a job. Several weeks does not matter. Many decide on the major without any research of the job market. Well, I am happy that they were happy for 4 years, but how about the life after college? Do they want to continue to be happy on parents’ dime? If it is OK with parents, then it is OK with me. I would not support it in my family though, I do not care what others may decide, I was expressing what is important to me. Or we should only say things that would be agreeable with everybody else in a world? I guess so, considering all the PC, we really should just repeat after one another, it would be a better world if we do.

Sorry, @MiamiDAP, I did not realize that your daughter had already completed medical school.

I agree with your flexible attitude toward short-term lack of a job after graduation. As long as a graduate actually has a job lined up, I see no problem with the parents supporting the graduate for the interim period until the job begins. But there are those who disagree.