<p>Do NOT give the cops a hard time when placed under arrest. You’ll lose every time.</p>
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<p>O_O /<em>fdsf</em>/</p>
<p>myeah barrons
police brutality anyone? i hope he has a big lawsuit on his hands for that, it was completely unnecessary.</p>
<p>Hardly. Obviously resisting arrest. She is lucky he used the spray rather than knocking her out with his baton.</p>
<p>Police brutality? I don’t think so. She was resisting arrest, and then she assaulted the officer. Pepper spray is very, very painful, but an entirely appropriate response in the situation.</p>
<p>The problem I have with this situation is: how the hell is a curfew law in place that hasn’t been struck down for blatantly violating civil liberties?</p>
<p>Yea i thought it woulda been ok had she been buggin but he punched her in the face after she bit him and then waited to pepper spray her, there was no need for the spray after he popped her in her face.</p>
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Exactly, I know i sure as hell wouldn’t have taken that from a freaking cop. And if it was for a curfew why the hell did he have her against the hood of the car cuffing her?</p>
<p>There is no reason to use that kind of force on a 15-year-old girl who MIGHT be 110 pounds soaking wet. He was obviously really hurting her by twisting her arm around like that and then slamming her against the car hood, and she’s 15 and distraught that this is happening to her. Yes, she reacted badly by biting him, but there was NO REASON to pepper spray her after he already smacked her in the face for it. This is most definitely police brutality.</p>
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<p>See, that’s precisely the wrong attitude. You don’t get unjust laws changed by resisting the cops whose job it is to enforce them. It is unreasonable, unethical and frankly pretty unfair to get angry at cops for doing their job. Sometimes they have to enforce crappy laws; that’s just the way it goes. While I’d love as much as the next guy for cops to be able to use their own judgment, that’s not going to happen, and it’s probably a good thing to. I don’t want cops making judgment calls on whether to enforce laws or not; I want them to enforce them, and then if the laws are unjust the courts can deal with it.</p>
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<p>He was hurting her? How about: she was hurting herself by resisting arrest?</p>
<p>The cop needed to cuff her, and she was making that difficult (which is a crime). Then, when he continued to try, she assaulted him. At that point, a single hit to the head to subdue her and then some pepper spray to ensure she stayed that way is an extremely conservative use of force.</p>
<p>The alternative would be to fully force her physically into cuffing position, which could easily break her arm (which would have people even more outraged), or throw her to the ground and use that position to cuff her (which would also have people outraged).</p>
<p>Cops have to always assume the worst. Frankly, she looks like she’s on drugs - what if she had a knife? Cops get hurt all the time by people who seem pretty innocuous.</p>
<p>You need to see that for the policeman, there is no win here. He had to be careful, and also had to arrest her, and also had to do so without causing any permanent physical damage. His actions satisfied all 3 of those requirements, so I consider what he did perfectly appropriate.</p>
<p>If you relax and just put your hands behind your back no force at all needs to be used. The issues of what offense she was arrested for and such has no importance as long as the law was on the books in that location. She was probably drunk and or high on something to draw the attention of the cops.</p>
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No you are the one who as the wrong attitude. It is the civilians job to fight the unjust system, or else the system will eat them alive. Cops use judgment calls all the time, just ask Amadou Diallo. I sure as hell do not trust the judgment of police officers all the time.</p>
<p>these days knowing you can get arrested and be disappeared, well, i would be mad as well</p>
<p>supprise suprrise white cop black girl</p>
<p>wonder how many white kids they picked up that night</p>
<p>what city was that in?</p>
<p>and he sprayed her DIRECTLY in the eyes, which can damage the eyes</p>
<p>yes barrons, guess you know it all and the police are allllwwwaaayyy right</p>
<p>he drug her in the front for a reason to cuff her, and he was at least twice her weight and he "
coulnd’t control" her</p>
<p>sure, he wanted to hurt her and by spraying within inches of her eyes, she is lucky she doesn’t have permanent damage</p>
<p>When sprayed directly in the eyes, as was done on countless occasions by Seattle police wielding fire-extinguisher-like dispensers, it can create intense, burning pain and restricted breathing unless quickly flushed out. (The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, in fact, requires commercially sold pepper spray to carry a caution label: “Warning: irritant, avoid contact with eyes.”) </p>
<p>So unless he flushed her eyes within minutes, she could have been seriouslly damamged</p>
<p>but thats okay with barrons of course</p>
<p>Don’t you have to be 16 to have your license in the first place… Regardless, the girl was asked way too many times and deserved what she got when she decided to lash out. That white cop v.black girl argument is garbage, don’t try and make the situation into something it clearly is not.</p>
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<p>Exactly. I don’t trust the judgment of police officers at all, in matters of justice. That is why the process of deciding whether laws are just or unjust must not be left to them.</p>
<p>When a police officer arrests you for a law you think is unjust, your fight is not with them, it is with the law. By resisting arrest, you are effectively killing the messenger. It’s unfair to the police, it promotes a society in which people who shouldn’t be making legal decisions are, and it promotes lawlessness. Yes, maybe the law you’re resisting arrest for really is unjust, but what about the guy who doesn’t think he should be arrested for robbery; for indecent exposure to a minor in public, and so forth? The reason resisting arrest is illegal is because the slope to total lawlessness is very, very slippery. That is why this girl deserved to be subdued, that is why the kid at UF deserved to get tasered, and that is why both things will continue to happen until people understand that if they think the law is unjust, resisting arrest is not a way to get it changed.</p>
<p>cgmom: Are you on something? Your posts are almost totally incoherent. Even after discerning what you’re trying to say, though, you still haven’t really put forth any useful arguments. “White cop, black girl, therefore it must be racist” and “Pepper spray can cause permanent damage” are absurd, and inane, respectively. As for him being able to subdue her, yeah, I’m sure he could - but would you rather see her have a broken bone or sprained joint, or some pepper spray to the eye? That is quite possibly the choice.</p>
<p>I think I’d rather a broken/sprained arm than permanent damage to my eyes, personally. Neither are appealing, but I’d like to be able to see normally for the rest of my life. A fractured wrist will heal. </p>
<p>There was no reason to pepper spray her, since he smacked her in the face pretty hard anyway (which was also uncalled for in my opinion). It was an unjustified use of force. After he smacked her, she was sobbing and pretty still, THEN he pulled out the pepper spray and sprayed her after the fact. That’s what was uncalled for.</p>
<p>I don’t think this was a racist thing, but a general Police Are Jerks thing. She kept saying, I didn’t do anything wrong, I don’t want to go to jail please sir I’m sorry I didn’t do anything. Wouldn’t you fight back if someone was trying to punish you for something you didn’t think you did?</p>
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<p>Sure - I would agree that it is our responsibility to fight against an unjust system, but you must go about it in the right way, and resisting arrest is not the right way.</p>
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<p>This is a bit misleading - you speak as if it is almost guaranteed that eye damage will result from being exposed to OC spray. Now, I don’t deny that there are risks to less-than-lethal force options, but they are minimal, at best.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VT2-41SCD7F-18&_user=4423&_coverDate=12%2F31%2F2000&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000059605&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=4423&md5=0dd69fb9233ed3ac64798d0c6324e540[/url]”>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VT2-41SCD7F-18&_user=4423&_coverDate=12%2F31%2F2000&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000059605&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=4423&md5=0dd69fb9233ed3ac64798d0c6324e540</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/188069.pdf[/url]”>http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/188069.pdf</a></p>
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<p>As for the first part of that - um, yeah, thats kinda the point of OC spray. Pain and visual impairment as a compliance technique. As for the second part, well, take a look at that second link I posted.</p>
<p>He told her like 5 million times.</p>
<p>She was resisting arrest and assulted a police officer. If that’s not grounds to use pepper spray, I don’t know what is.</p>
<p>And she wouldn’t let her arm be twisted. Should the cop have forced her arm back, breaking it to get it in cuffs? Or used pepper spray to minimize harm to the individual?</p>
<p>You cannot pull someone over the way they look, aka violating a curfew, so I assume that was a secondary offense. I’m sure it is policy wherever they are to take them to the station so her parents can pick her up.</p>
<p>Just like other people have said on the thread, it was her own fault. Why was she resisting arrest? She didn’t even know if she was being arrested, she could have just been being detained for all she knew.</p>
<p>If she didn’t want to get pepper sprayed she should have complied. And pepper spray doesn’t make you go blind, people. If it did it would defeat its purpose.</p>
<p>Maybe next time the cop should just break her arm to get her in the cuffs.</p>
<p>By the way, if you’re screaming “I can’t breathe” it means that you can, in fact, breathe, and breathe quite well. EMS rule number 1.</p>
<p>This girl is 15. She violated CURFEW. What cop even messes with kids for violating curfew? </p>
<p>Not only this, he CLEARLY has almost a five second delay from when he smacks her until he pulls out the pepper spray. Any idiot who says that that was totally justified is ridiculous. He stops, says something to her, stares at her for a few seconds, THEN pulls out the spray, it wasn’t like i was a reaction.</p>
<p>Second, how did that girl look like she was on drugs. Some guy pulls up next to me, tells me that me walking is illegal, and then throws me on the hood of his car and tries to arrest me for CURFEW. Most cops would just drive them home (which I still wouldn’t do, you don’t know what cops are crazy now), but not only that, they wouldnt ARREST them.</p>
<p>This guy just seemed like he was power tripping and I would be incredibly happy if I was that girl(lawsuit time!).</p>