Likelihood of being accepted to Boston College ED with 3 Cs on HS transcript?

Hi, I’m currently a rising senior aiming to apply for ED with BC.

The title is how it sounds and I know Boston College is extremely selective and my chances of getting in are slim to none. That being said, I’m still going to take my chances.

My stats are as follows: I have a 3.68 UW GPA, will have taken 10 AP courses by the end of high school, I have a 1480 SAT score, and am a recipient of awards from my HS’s English Department. I have a strong extracurricular background with 5 years in two choirs, both in which I am in their most advanced ensembles, and have served as section leader in one choir for 4 years. I have participated in regional voice competitions, completed education in the Royal Conservatory of Music for which I was acknowledged for vocal performance. I have done volunteer work at both choirs, and am planning on starting a small art business during my senior year. I have held classroom leadership positions freshman through junior year in my Korean classes and World History class.

All this being said, I have the Cs. There is a pattern since two were from both semesters of my sophomore year of AP Precalculus and the third being in my second semester of AP Calc AB in junior year. I also received a C in the first semester of my AP Chem class but I have since retaken that semester to bump up my GPA. I am definitely considering retaking the C I received in Calc AB though, but I’m not too sure how much that will help in the big picture since my school shows on the transcript my retaken grade and my original grade. I guess I’m wondering if they’ll see that I’ve retaken that semester and take it as proof that I’m willing to put in the effort to improve? Again, I’m unsure (also if it’s better to not retake and instead put my energy into getting an A in AP Calc BC which I’m taking senior year). I will not be retaking any of the courses from sophomore year.

Sorry for the lengthy post. I’m really scared for applications. I know it doesn’t matter and it sounds like a lame excuse but I was going through a lot of personal and family issues that caused me to fall back in my grades, especially with how I’ve always struggled with STEM.

What is your likely major, or what majors are you considering?

Calculus depends a great deal on precalculus. Thus with two C’s in precalculus, it would not surprise me that you find calculus difficult. It is not obvious to me whether you are ready to take calc BC next year. Have you tried getting a tutor for math in general and calculus in particular?

Under the circumstances Boston College seems like a high reach to me.

What do you like about Boston College?

What was the reason for being two grade levels ahead in math if you were not a top-end student in math?

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My nephew was rejected by Fordham because he got one D in freshman year despite the fact that his grades and test scores were otherwise very good and despite the fact that both his father and older sister had gone there. My point is not that you won’t get into BC. Rather it is that Admissions departments make all kinds of quirky decisions for reasons known only to themselves and which were not privy to, so there’s no way that anyone here can tell you what your chances are for sure.

I expect that you already know that BC accepts only 16% of it’s applicants, making it a reach school for even top students. Your overall gpa of 3.68 isn’t going to stand out in their applicant pool. Your strong SAT score could help but test scores are usually only helpful if they’re in support of a strong gpa.

For me, the real question is, Why do you have your heart set on BC? And I say that as someone who likes BC. One of my daughters graduated from BC and had 4 wonderful years there. To pursue that example, I have 2 other daughters who went to Providence College who also had 4 wonderful years there. In many ways it’s a similar school and it’s also in a nice but somewhat more accessible city. It’s also more accessible for admissions with a 50% acceptance rate. Your 3.68 gpa would put you a little above the mid point of this year’s freshman class. That combined with your SAT score would probably push you into a potential merit award there.

I’m not trying to promote Providence. My point is that you should apply to BC as you clearly intend to do, but your energy should be invested in finding other schools which you also like where your chances for acceptance are better in case lightning doesn’t strike with a BC acceptance. As much as I like BC, I have to say that they don’t offer anything there which you can’t also find some place else.

If you tell us what you like about BC, what you intend to study, and what your budget is, we can probably suggest other schools which you might also fall in love with. Sticking with Jesuit colleges like BC, my son went to Fordham and loved it as well as its NYC location. My niece recently visited St. Joe’s in Philly where they recently had significant expansion and she loved everything about it, she thought the campus was beautiful, and age liked it better than Villanova. Our local high school principal has 2 kids at Xavier in Cincinnati. He and they are really happy with it and he says that they’d love to bring in more kids from New England. The point is that the Jesuits have 28 colleges in the US and they are all good. BC just happens to be one of the 2 or 3 most popular, but they do very little that’s different from the others. Look around, give the others a chance. You may like what you see.

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I started freshman year in Algebra II which I had an A both semesters in, so I jumped to AP Precalc instead of regular precalc. Big mistake because the teacher was awful (out of two periods only 10 kids got an A in the class) and I was sick half the year so I fell behind super quick. I didn’t think dropping math after sophomore year was a good idea though so I continued with calculus.

Is math - and calc in particular - important to your intended major?

My intended major is political science.

I had an A first semester of calc AB and was finding it much easier to understand than precalc ever was (probably due to having a great teacher for calc) but second semester I was struggling a lot outside of school. I was 2% away from a B as well and I know a C is still a C so it doesn’t matter in the long run but I know personally that my performance issues were not fully related to finding the material difficult. I talked to my calc teacher about this and he told me that after my performance in second semester I would need to put in extra work over the summer to brush up on material in preparation for calc BC but that he believes I would do well. Whether he means “well” as in an A or a B is not quite clear, but it was good to receive that assessment. I have also considered getting a tutor for next year in case I run into difficulties earlier on.

What draws me to Boston College is the rigor of their academic programs and the flexibility of their credits, as well as my connection to their values of service and approach to social justice. The campus is a huge factor as well.

Thanks for your honesty– This is seriously putting the “dream” in dream school and I’m not expecting to get in or necessarily prove to be competitive in the application pool but I figured it can never hurt to try.

Since my intended major is political science I would say calc is not super important… of course that doesn’t excuse the poor grades but it’s a different story than if I were applying for a literal math or engineering major.

Tell me more about your high school, and please confirm whether you are a full pay family.

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Thank you for the information about your intended major and your earlier comments regarding what you like about BC.

Are you interested in suggestions for other colleges or are you lazor focused on BC?

Wow, thank you for your in-depth response!

Yes, I fully acknowledge the fact that strong standardized test scores are really only valid with an equally strong GPA, a position that I’m not exactly in.

BC made its way to the top of my list primarily because of the academic rigor and excellence of their programs, as well as their values of service. I was also drawn by their pursuit of social justice which is treated slowly and thus more methodically. I also fell in love with the campus. A family friend went to Boston College for pre-med said that the campus life and community in her experience was very welcoming and supportive, which is something that’s important to me as well. I’m intending to major in poli sci, which I have done research on the department at BC and while not considered their strongest field, I am still highly interested in the school for the previous reasons. Especially considering that they have fairly flexible credits to span over various majors. I don’t have an exact answer for budget yet, that’s something my parents and I are still discussing but Boston College’s main con for me as of the moment is its tuition, standing at the highest on my college list.

Thank you for the mention of Providence, I’ll also be looking into them. I have done research on Fordham as well. I’m definitely not limiting my search to Jesuit colleges, but your response is still super helpful.

I would greatly appreciate suggestions for other colleges! While I am very focused on BC, I know attainability of being accepted is realistically extremely, extremely slim. Still I figured it can’t hurt to shoot for it.

If this helps here’s some more information on a few other colleges I’m interested in. Lewis and Clark in Oregon is one of my top schools, and I’d be ecstatic to go there as well. Of course, getting into BC is the dream but I would still be happy there. From my research they have a strong poli sci program, specifically for public policy which is my main focus. Beautiful campus as well, and I was able to visit in person earlier this year. I’m looking into Emerson as well due to their location of being in Boston, and UMass. Boston or at least a close proximity to Boston is a huge factor to me due to the city’s environment and community, which is why a lot of schools I’m looking into are in that general vicinity. That being said I am in no way wanting to limit myself only to Boston or Massachusetts as a whole. Wellesley is another college I’m interested in, although they are extremely difficult to get into as well. I hope this gives a general picture of what I am looking for.

Further thoughts. . .

I actually think that BC is a great choice for Poli-Sci - partly because of the number of Massachusetts politicians who have come out of BC and who are currently in state government. Its location in the state capital also makes opportunities for internships in state government potentially accessible. I am also a huge fan of one of BC’s professors, Heather Cox Richardson, who should be considered a national treasure. She does not teach in the Poli-Sci Dept, but in the History Dept and her area is 19th century political and economic history. Nonetheless, every Poli-Sci major should take at least one course with her. I know her from her nightly newsletter, “Letters from an American” available on substack, on which she comments on current events. I also like BC’s major in Global Health and the Public Good. It could pair nicely with Poli-Sci as a minor or even a double major. I wish that it just wasn’t so hard to gain admission there! I’d encourage you to show your passion for social justice in your application essays. Take some risks; you have nothing to lose.

You remind me of my nephew who is a rising senior at Fordham, which like BC, is also an exceptionally beautiful campus. Also a Poli-Sci major, he is a rising senior who is spending this summer interning on a political campaign, which he is very excited about. I’ll give you the same advice I’ve given him, If you’re going for a career related to public policy and political-science, take a lot of courses in Economics because it is the system that produces a lot of the outcomes we see in society. You need to understand the system if you are going to seek social justice and craft solutions. On campus at Fordham, it is the Dorothy Day Center for Service and Justice which initiates and coordinates a lot of the programs for community service. Dorothy Day is someone worth learning about. A journalist first, what she did as a social activist and pacifist in New York City a century ago by opening shelters, by establishing farms to feed the poor, and by establishing The Catholic Worker movement should be an inspiration to all of us. In addition to Poli-Sci, Fordham has an interesting major called International Political Economy, which makes for an interesting public policy alternative to Poli-Sci. Fordham also has its own satellite campus in London where my nephew just completed a semester. He found it so exciting to be exposed to all of that history and the different perspectives he saw there. I would add that with a high energy, idealistic, and progressive young mayor, New York City is a very exciting place to be right now.

Since you would be ecstatic to go to Lewis & Clark, I’m no longer worried that you’ve boxed yourself in by focusing only on a high reach school like BC. You should easily get admitted to Lewis & Clark and I can see why you would like it there with its beautiful campus and their emphasis on civic engagement and social justice. Their minors in Law & Policy or Political Economy should be right up your alley. If you would like to consider a school with a shared ethos and similar size but is closer to Boston, I’ll suggest Clark University in Worcester. And the similarity is not just in the name. Also a beautiful campus, Clark is committed to combining rigorous academics with real world community issues. Through its LEEP Center, every student is required to do a hands-on, community impact internship or project. Their major in International Development & Social Change offers a nice public policy option.

Without going into too much detail, I’m going to suggest a couple of other options:

Macalester College - another school in a state capital (St. Paul) which combines rigorous academics with social consciousness. Check out its Civic Engagement Center for community outreach. Great campus with classic features.

Tulane & Loyola/New Orleans - These 2 sit side by side in New Orleans lively Garden District. You don’t even have to cross a street to get from one campus to the other and there is cross registration between the 2 colleges. The beauty of this consortium is that if you choose to cross register (you can take 2 courses per semester at the other college), you don’t have to take a bus to get to the other school; you just walk across campus. The 2 colleges combined have a slightly larger undergrad enrollment than BC and the location is a very similar residential neighborhood. Tulane is highly selective (14%) like BC and you almost have to apply ED to get in. But if you don’t, you can always apply to Loyola, which is a much easier admit and practically serves as the back door to Tulane. Both have a strong commitment to social action and civic engagement. Tulane was one of the first colleges in the country to mandate public service requirements, which it did after Hurricane Katrina. Loyola integrates service learning into some of its courses to learn about social justice issues through real world engagement. The Jesuit Social Research Institute on campus engages in research, education and advocacy to address issues of poverty and institutional racism in the region.

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Welcome to College Confidential, @FLYoon!

Based on this…

Have you thought about Suffolk (about 4300 undergrads)? Not only is it in Boston, but it’s 0.2 miles from the Massachusetts State House! You can read more about its political science programs as well as its major in Politics, Philosophy, and Economics which also might be of interest to you. I think that this school of approximately 4300 undergrads would be an extremely likely admit for you.

For people who are interested in political science, I really like state/national capitals. Thus, it’s one of the reasons why I think Providence (already mentioned) would be a great addition…and it’s only 1.2 miles from the RI State House.

I’d also take a look at Trinity College which has about 2200 undergrads and is 1.5 miles from the CT State Capitol.

Since you’re open to schools on the west coast, I would also think about Willamette (OR). There are about 1700 undergrads at this school that is a half mile from the OR State Capitol. This profile is marketing material, but I feel as though the Colleges That Change Lives (CTCL) profiles do a good job of giving a sense of the specific school: Willamette University – Colleges That Change Lives .

(As an FYI, Clark, mentioned earlier, is also a CTCL school Clark University – Colleges That Change Lives )

Since you’re open to women’s colleges, I’d also take a look at Agnes Scott (GA). It has around 900 undergrads and is part of an Atlanta consortium that allows students to take classes at other area schools like Emory and Spelman. It’s in a more walkable area of Atlanta and is 6.1 miles from the GA State Capitol. @ECCA2026 and @Sweetgum may be able to give additional info on this school, as I believe their kids were pretty big fans of it: Agnes Scott College – Colleges That Change Lives

Another school you may want to research is Siena (NY). It has about 3500 undergrads and a real focus on service and advocacy, which seems to align well with your interest in BC. When you hear about those NY Times/Siena polls, this is that Siena. It’s also 5.2 miles from the NY State Capitol.

I’ve sorted the schools I mentioned by my guesses as to your chances for admission at them:

Extremely Likely (80-99+%)

  • Agnes Scott
  • Siena
  • Suffolk
  • Willamette

Likely (60-79%)

  • Providence (on the lower likelihood part of this category)

Toss-Up (40-59%)

  • Trinity (on the lower likelihood part of this category)

Lower Probability (20-39%)

Low Probability (less than 20%)

College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, MA is very similar academically to BC if you’re interested in a rigorous and highly elective LAC that has a well regarded Poli Sci department and lots of connections to alumni that are involved in many facets of politics and community service. There is a selective Washington DC semester away that offers opportunities to do an internship and take classes with HC professors. The ethos of HC is that of educating the whole person and thus there is great emphasis of public service and ethics in everything they do- including business and public service/poli sci. The Ciocca Center for Business, Ethics and Society, offers the liberal arts curriculum for business certificate program, and is hugely popular with Econ and Poli Sci majors.

HC is competitive to gain admittance at 17% acceptance rate but with demonstrated interest and interviews it seems reasonable with upward trend in your gpa.

Gorgeous campus, excellent music and arts scene with a great college choir (traveled to Ireland this year, I believe). Brand new Prior performing arts center and lots of school spirit.

Great suggestions by others above.

You expressed an interest in Wellesley, another very difficult acceptance ((14%). As an alternative, I’ll suggest Smith. Still a challenge for acceptance for anyone (22% acceptance rate) but more likely to be within reach. More important is that it has more of a reputation for students committed to social justice than Wellesley does. There are more than 2 dozen social justice, community service, and political action groups on campus. They even maintain an Activist-in-Residence position on their faculty. Northampton/Amherst is teeming with college students. The 5 college consortium also maintains an inter campus bus system which makes the other campuses easily accessible 7 days a week. There is cross registration available with the other colleges. Northampton is a delightful, charming town in its own right with lots to do. The Northampton/Amherst is the second biggest music booking venue behind Boston in all of New England. There are several live music outlets in Northampton within walking distance of campus. The Poli-Sci Dept is called Government at Smith. The Government major has see Verla “pathways”, one of which is American Politics, which includes a concentration in Public Policy. Smith also has its own semester-in-Washington program.

A friend of mine sent kids to both Boston Colllege and Loyola University in Baltimore. A BC alum himself, he described Loyola as a “mini-BC”. It obviously doesn’t have the Boston location but check out the linked page for its commitment to social justice:

Located an easy train tide to DC, it offer’se access to government and its institutions. It offers minors in both Community Development and Peace & Justice Studies. It also offers an interdisciplinary major in Global Studies, combining Economics, Political Science, History, and Sociology. Loyola students have done internships (sometimes for credit) at both state and federal offices.

I think BC is not likely, even if you ED. At least from my kids’ schools it would not be likely with your stats. I think you have received great advice here about other more likely schools and I encourage you to consider those. Are you interested in Villanova? It would be a reach for sure BUT if you were interested in ED it would be sort of a low reach or even high target for Political Science. Like BC the campus is beautiful and there is a lot of focus on service. The overall acceptance rate recenlty increased because they are expanding class size. This year it was 29% overall…but that is not evenly split among the different schools. The business and nursing school acceptance rates are reportedly about half that and the arts and sciences acceptance rate (includes political science) are supposedly in the high 30’s. AND their ED acceptance rate, while declining relative to prior years, is still nearly 50 percent. It is also in Philly which is good for potential political science internships.

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? The capital of PA is in Harrisburg.

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Villanova, or any town on the Main Line, isn’t in Philadelphia. And Philadelphia, while PA’s largest city, isn’t the capital.

But Villanova is a school to consider

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Edited. Yes not the state capital but a great city for political internships . My child and their immediate friend group have had several.