<p>“The United States does not transport, and has not transported detainees from one country to another for the purpose of interrogation and torture.”
– Condoleeza Rice, December 5, 2005</p>
<p>Now let me see how I can parse this:
– Maybe the “and” between “interrogation” and “torture” gets her off the hook; now had she said “or”, that would be another story entirely;
– Maybe the real purpose was to give them ice cream and a comfy bed; the interrogation and torture was just a little something on the side;
– The United States didn’t transport anybody - that was left to private companies;
– Maybe they weren’t “detainees” - just “enemy combatants”
– Actually it was never “one country to another” - there was always a third country in between
– She just didn’t know…</p>
<p>What is this about Bush’s Secretaries of State that they place themselves in such “interesting” verbal positions?</p>
<p>Wow, since this is a Parents Forum on a college site I thought there was some good gossip about Rice University because of mini’s thread topic. Darn, I was hoping for another media driven college scandal. </p>
<p>She just was not properly informed…and misspoke.</p>
<p>It is truly amazing how there is NO standard of truth and honesty when it comes to politics in this country. And that, of course, is true of both sides.</p>
<p>We’re entering campaign season. I don’t think any of us have a scoreboard big enough to keep track of all the woppers that are going to be told.</p>
<p>i was going to make a really really bad joke, and it would have been so politcally incorrect, I would have gotten slammed, and probablly would have deserved it, so I will refrain…</p>
<p>Sorry, that’s part of an expression, heard decades ago…</p>
<p>I am still amazed that many of our political leaders (both parties) don’t understand tape recordings and the ability to recall information quickly nowdays.</p>
<p>“You may not agree with her politics, but I don’t think there’s any reason to doubt her intelligence.”</p>
<p>That’s the scariest part of all. Extremely intelligent, extremely gifted individuals who work for this Administraton end up smelling like dogpoop.</p>
<p>But I like the syllogism:</p>
<p>“We don’t use torture.”
“Waterboarding is torture”
“We waterboard.”</p>
<p>Therefore, “We conform to the Geneva Conventions.”</p>
<p>Given her credibility, she might as well have denied the Holocaust.</p>
<p>circular logic doesnt even come close to trying to describe what happened yesterday</p>
<p>“we never tortured, but we should be able to, because we can;t get information otherwise, well unless we spy on everybody, but we really don’t do that, oh yeah waterboarding, it works so it was good, but it is torture so it is bad, unless you are the CIA so it is good, but it is bad because it goes against American values, but we values\ life, so torture is good because it works, so we waterboarded, but then when we tell you we used “methods” to get information, whatever methods we used were good, but now they are bad because I said so as it is against our values”</p>
<p>mini, you got it right with your first point - the “and” is very important. It would be foolish to leave it at just “interrogation” since it has always been common knowledge that we transported detainees to different countries for interrogation - how do you think they got from Afghanistan to Gitmo?</p>
<p>Yup. We interrogate 'em in one place, and torture 'em in another. Way to go, Condi! Sure inspires confidence when she has to go out and negotiate with them there infidels.</p>
<p>“how do you think they got from Afghanistan to Gitmo?”</p>
<p>It is sad and it is sick - and it is a sin! (And I’m not even religious).<br>
US should never ever ever ever participate in torture, “disappearances”, or secret imprisonments. It makes my stomache churn to think of the things this administration has done. (And others before them) :(</p>
<p>“US should never ever ever ever participate in torture, “disappearances”, or secret imprisonments.”</p>
<p>But we don’t! It’s just “waterboarding” (conforming to the Geneva Conventions), “renditioning”, and what’s the secret? they know they’re imprisoned, don’t they?</p>
<p>Does your stomach churn less when we bomb or starve the “enemies” by the thousands, especially from a safe distance? Not much need for human rights when the price is right, according to our former favorite Secretary of State, who is again in the news covering her own set of formidable fibs.</p>