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<p>Now there’s an idea!</p>
<p>Certainly the schools would love it. They detest being evaluated (indirectly) when that’s supposed to be their monopoly. </p>
<p>Its always nice to be in a contest where you can simply assert what the score is and how you are doing. Having a scoreboard and a standard leads to a lot of angst.</p>
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<p>Do you mean high schools or colleges, dadx? </p>
<p>Dunno that high schools much care about college admission testing (as they do about NCLB), but the standardized tests exist because many colleges want them to exist, (cheating) warts and all.</p>
<p>High schools, of course. They always say that " our students are so much more" than their (standardized) test scores. They never say that about the grades they assign or the tests they give.</p>
<p>Colleges like using the scores to evaluate candidates, but some don’t like them so much when the distribution of scores for their entering classes are disclosed and measured against other schools. They like it when they are private.</p>
<p>An applicant’s SAT scores should be reasonably in line with his/her transcript (taking grades, course rigor, quality of hs into account). If SAT scores are substantially higher, then they may be suspect, or simply reflective of an underachiever. Either way, that combination portrays an unattractive admissions candidate.</p>
<p>And if their scores are substantially lower then their grades, it is because of grade inflation at their school…right? </p>
<p>The only problem with making blanket statments about standardized test scores and GPA is the outliers. Unfortunately, there are few ways to “explain” unusual trends to colleges.</p>
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<p>What about via the essays and/or counselor recs? Don’t most colleges offer an opportunity to explain unusual circumstances about an applicant?</p>
<p>not all colleges offer the opportunity to explain. And many of those students would not get through the first weed of applications that may only look at numbers.</p>
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<p>Which students are you concerned about? The ones with high SATs and low GPAs? Why would it matter whether they have a chance to explain, if colleges have already determined that a student who cannot meet a certain high school GPA floor is unqualified to do the work?</p>
<p>The ones with high GPAs and low SAT scores are the ones with the bigger problem, imo, but at least they won’t be suspected of cheating on the SAT, and while they may have cheated in high school classes, it is unlikely that they could have sustained it throughout 4 years of classes, but maybe I’m naive.</p>
<p>the ones with the high GPA and lower SATs are the ones I am more concerned with.</p>
<p>High GPAs and low SATs - Usually happens when someone is best at their given school but the school itself is not the greatest. It points to rigor/teaching/standard of the school and not an indictment of the kid.</p>
<p>OTOH - as someone mentioned above about a person cheating and then graduating from Yale - they could be just bad at standardized tests while being really good in their school classes. So if one is getting 5s on APs along with 4.0, it points to SAT just not being their thing.</p>
<p>Texas, that is one scenerio…the other is poor performance on standardized tests in general. Maybe not poor performance, but lower than expected performance. Some kids just do not take those types of tests well.</p>
<p>vlines - I was thinking about that and amended my statement before I saw yours!</p>
<p>A lot of the foreign students are admitted to tippy top schools with 1900 -2100 SAT scores. They do extremely well on their subject tests.</p>
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<p>I am very familiar with this type of kid. Excellent writer; marginal multiple-choice test taker. The good news is that the number of college courses that use multiple choice testing is very, very small, so this type of kid can still do very well in college.</p>
<p>If you think the College Board (or any of the other testing agencies) is any more “honest” than the kids who accepted money to take the exams, think again:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Making-Grades-Misadventures-Standardized-Industry/dp/098170915X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322079059&sr=8-1[/url]”>http://www.amazon.com/Making-Grades-Misadventures-Standardized-Industry/dp/098170915X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322079059&sr=8-1</a></p>
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<p>As I suggested a while ago, rather than thumbprints, I think every test-taker should be photographed and the digital picture attached to their file (possibly even score reports). I can’t imagine there would be a privacy issue with that. And it is the only way high school or college administrators could easily verify that the test taker was who he said he was (how would they compare thumbprints or other biometrics?) It seems it wouldn’t be difficult for the CB to develop a tablet app that could take a picture and upload it to a file quickly and easily</p>
<p>I don’t know that jail is appropriate for any of these kids. I do think expulsion from the schools they got into on false pretenses is appropriate for the test shirkers and for the test takers, perhaps they should be required to tutor underprivileged children for the SAT/ACT for 2000 hours over the course of a period of several years.</p>
<p>Also, on second thought, perhaps the McDonalds’ jobs should be reserved for the honest kids.</p>
<p>Wildwood, you do realize that taking a photograph is considered a “biometric” in the testing field, right? Many of the big testing companies already use this in their check-in software and their clients pay extra for this service. I don’t see CB paying for this. The same applies to fingerprinting – it has to be paid for by someone. Plus the students’ fingerprints would have to already be “in the system” for comparison’s sake and you can bet some parents would raise the privacy issue.</p>
<p>I really don’t understand why I am reading folks saying those who paid for someone else to take their test shouldn’t be punished. Taking the test for anyone other than yourself is a crime. These students paid for someone to commit a crime. If I paid someone to commit a crime on my behalf, that is a crime and should be punishable.</p>
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<p>Great Neck North supposedly noticed discrepancies between the test scores from the cheating test and prior tests and their GPAs. I am curious as to how bad their first sets of scores were that 1710 SAT and 28 ACT were deemed to be a discrepant improvement.</p>
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<p>I haven’t read where anyone has posted that idea. </p>
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<p>It is really easy to get access to fake ID’s. Students do it all the time so that they can go bar hopping. Are they punished? Should they be jailed?</p>
<p>It is really easy to get access to fake Social Security cards and driver’s licenses. (Going rate in LA is a couple of hundred bucks.) Such users are clearly fraudulent, but rarely prosecuted for committing a crime.</p>