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<p>Exactly my point. I may “own” my medical records, but the insurance company can keep a copy (as can the provider).</p>
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<p>Plenty of Asian kids at our local school have parents with zero reported income (for fafsa purposes), but plenty of family wealth.</p>
<p>As an aside, based on your suggestions xiggi, my kids never reported their test scores to their high school. You are exactly right. There is/was no need.</p>
<p>Mini, wealthy owners and poor operators? Creative accounting and loose reporting are powerful and irrestible tools in the hands of some. Here are a few lines that all say the same thing! Unfortunately, I don’t have the most … relevant idioms.</p>
<p>English The end justifies the means.
German Das Zweck heiligt die Mittel.
Italian Jl fine giustifica i mezzi.
Latin Cui finis est licitus, etiam media sunt licita.
Polish Cel uświęca środki.
Portuguese Os fins justificam os meios.
Russian Цель оправдывает средства.
Spanish El fin justifica los medios.</p>
<p>Cheating on the SAT is not new. If the colleges truly cared about the veracity of the scores they receive, they would demand better security, or stop using test scores as admissions tools. As it is, the testing service gets it money, regardless of who takes the test, and there is no incentive to change the process without the threat of lost business from colleges. The “victim” is a nebulous one - the theoretical student who lost his “place” to the cheater. Should the taxpayers be funding criminal prosecutions to protect these fantom displaced students? Are they really harmed in the manner of a crime victim?</p>
<p>Colleges and/or applicants may need to boycott testing in order to change anything. Unlikely to happen; too much trouble.</p>
<p>“Mini, wealthy owners and poor operators?”</p>
<p>No, simply immigrant Americans with enterprising backgrounds working themselves up from the bottom the way immigrants to America have for several hundred years.</p>
<p>Blue Bayou - I have no idea how you come up with such comparisons. </p>
<p>Just to make a point, when my kids moved from elementary to middle and middle to high school, they were provided a copy of all the immunization records we turned over to the school they ended up going to which made it easy not to go searching for these records all over or run to the doctor. So the schools do have all kinds of records on kids. We turn immunization records, physicals etc to girl scouts, boy scouts, soccer teams, dance teams, and a whole host of others. Most of the time, I am taking kids to doctors because someone or the other who is not even a legal entity is demanding them as the price of participation. How are you keeping them all private?</p>
<p>As far as schools are concerned, before my kid started high school, I did check all the statistics our schools published to determine the rate of success at specific schools. We sold our home and bought another to be able to go a specific high school based on their success rate in generating national merit scholars, number of kids admitted to some of the top schools in the country, percentage of kids going to college, etc. As a matter of fact, there are 50% going to 4 year colleges, 47% going to 2 year colleges, and 3% doing whatever after graduating. That is pretty good for a school designated as 50% students being served free breakfast and lunch. </p>
<p>If the school’s goal is not produce students good enough to be able to go college if they choose to, are you expecting the schools to be training them to flip burgers instead?</p>
<p>I chose not to suppress scores but if someone else wants they can either suppress or figure out how not to report them to school. If it is illegal as you say, may be some parent out there can report the houston ISD to local ACLU chapter so they can sue. However, knowing how many lawyers’ kids attend schools here and lawyers serve on PTOs, I am certain it is all cleared. I met an older gentleman at Ivy league forum sponsored by the district a couple of months ago representing Dartmouth. I was talking to him and turned out he was an employee of the school district. I was shocked to hear he was a lawyer who did law at Harvard. So I guess the district employs pretty good lawyers too. </p>
<p>We are not debating whether the district has the right to do something if they paid for it. The district is leaving it up to the parents what they want to do. It is that they are trying to help kids get somewhere by paying for the tests, making it easier to send their transcripts etc. Only the rich in this country have the luxury of privacy. Rest of the people who need free meals just to attend high school need all the help they can get. Who gives a rodent’s behind about privacy.</p>
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<p>As it is not unusual in this type of conversations, some parts of prior posts are hard to reconcile. In one part, you claim that the poor(est) do not really immigrate to the United States, and that the immigrants (at least in the case of India) are upwardly mobile. </p>
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<p>Further you gave the example of operating your “own business.” While hardly an expert on the lodging industry, I would venture that starting a motel operation tends to require some … capital. The transfer of smaller shops such as dry cleaning stores and donut bakeries might require smaller investments, but still seem to require the assistance of a generous community who believes in pooling resources, and playing musical chairs with reported income and ownership. </p>
<p>Regardless of our divergent opinions on the subject, I would venture to state that time has come to revisit our financial aid policies and scrutinize the “asset-rich and income-poor” a tad more, especially in states where the statistics hardly follow national ones. </p>
<p>California should be high on the list of targeted states.</p>
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<p>TPD, the reporting of standardized tests by HS is a fools’ errand. How many colleges did you encounter in your current application process that DID accept the unofficial and potentially erroneous score reporting? Did the school district follow the recent rules of Score Choice (or even know such animal exists) and do you think the school would accept any liability in case of errors in reporting? </p>
<p>BB is entirely correct in advocating for an opt-in versus an opt-out policy. Parents who believe that the reporting of scores without an official report sent by TCB could always request to receive such service. </p>
<p>No matter how one slices it, the schools have NO business reporting scores that were not part of their curriculum. It is wrong and it SHOULD be challenged by all parents, and for a number of very valid reasons, starting with the known inefficiency by schools to process their OWN data without glitches. </p>
<p>The long and the short of the story is that parents (on behalf of their children) should be in full control and have full responsibility of the college process. The role of the high schools should be to transmit the HS records in a correct and timely manner, and not attempt to add information that is not theirs.</p>
<p>Again why purportedly overworked and underpaid public servants find it necessary to “mess” with the records is puzzling. Don’t they have better things to do with their ever shrinking working time?</p>
<p>Xiggi, you want to visit our financial policies? How about this?</p>
<p>[Goldman</a> Sachs and Occupy Wall Street’s bank: the real story | Greg Palast | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk](<a href=“http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/oct/27/goldman-sachs-occupy-wall-street]Goldman”>Goldman Sachs and Occupy Wall Street's bank: the real story | Greg Palast | The Guardian)</p>
<p>You are a riot. Accusing small business owners of corruption. Get real.</p>
<p>Thank you, Parent1986. That article is so well researched and so well written. What a powerful story. During these Thanksgiving days, one should be thankful for parents such as yourself who never hesitate to point the young and inexperienced in the right direction.</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
<p>xiggi - I just don’t buy the fact that SAT scores need to be kept away from the school. Based on various threads on CC, there are a lot of colleges accepting the scores from their schools as a way to start judging their EA/ED applications while they wait for official scores. </p>
<p>How do you think it works when schools have naviance directly linking to commonapp where the school seems to have access to your entire commonapp?</p>
<p>As far as I am concerned, the colleges are demanding too much crap from schools (they have no business asking the counselor to fill out so much information related to one’s standing in school). So these scores are a tiny part of the requirements schools are fulfilling and from what I understand, it seems to serve some requirement of state colleges to see all the graduation requirements, class rank, listed along with the scores from the school. There are so many other pieces of information on the transcript like state mandated test passing requirements that the transcript is mindboggling.</p>
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<p>TPG, why would the colleges not use the self-reported data on the application itself? Any reason to believe that the school possesses more accurante and verifiable information than the applicant? The transcribed SAT on transcripts have no more validity than self-reported scores. In fact, the applicants declares the application to be truthful. Do you a high school that will take the responsibility for the accuracy of the reported SAT scores? </p>
<p>Also, are you sure that the transcripts sent by the high school are arriving at the college faster than when sent electronically? </p>
<p>For the record, have you not received confirmation of SAT scores sent to the COLLEGES within hours of being released by TCB?</p>
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<p>Oh, I agree with you on that part. I think that colleges should recognize that the weakest links in the application process are the various reports requested from GCs.</p>
<p>“In one part, you claim that the poor(est) do not really immigrate to the United States, and that the immigrants (at least in the case of India) are upwardly mobile.”</p>
<p>Not at ALL contradictory. My grandfather (whom I never met) was well-educated. He was a Lithuanian-Jewish silk trader who after World War I ended up in Turkey with a Turkish passport. He couldn’t get into the U.S., not because he was Lithuanian, nor Jewish, nor Turkish, but “Oriental”. He went to Canada, where he had absolutely nothing, changed his name to something French-like (he spoke French), and came to the U.S. as an illegal immigrant (as a French-Canadian). He had literally nothing but the clothing on his back. But definitely, definitively upwardly mobile.</p>
<p>The Patels who came to America often had virtually nothing, and most were poor (but usually educated) back in India. A cousin would give them a loan to take over a motel, thousands of which were failing all over the U.S. and so would cost very, very little (one of my friend’s parents took over a motel on the edge of the desert outside Bakersfield, California in the late 1970s - you can imagine what it was worth), and by dint of hard work - day and night (and living in one or two of the rooms and hence saving on rent), would first make ends meet, and then work their way up. This story has been repeated thousands of time throughout America, not just by Indians, but folks like my “Oriental” grandfather, Vietnamese grocers, Chinese dry cleaners, etc. They almost never came from the poorest classes back home (when they did, such as Hmong and Mien people who have come here, they usually have a very difficult time of it), they often have traditions of education or business acumen, and they make a go of it. And yes, in the first generation, the kids often do qualify for Pell Grants.</p>
<p>(If you are really interested, this is a good read: <a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Patels-Gujurati-Community-History-United/dp/0934052395[/url]”>http://www.amazon.com/Patels-Gujurati-Community-History-United/dp/0934052395</a> )</p>
<p>Xiggi - you do know it costs $10.50 an SAT score and collegeboard makes a big deal about anything they don’t send is not official? We were accounting for all college apps, SAT scores, ACT scores and figured out it added up to $2000 so far.</p>
<p>So if there are colleges out there that are willing to accept (I am guessing there are some that are way below the CC crowd) that don’t need an official report, why would you care if the school wants to send them the scores?</p>
<p>If colleges don’t need official SAT scores, the applicant can photocopy and send his scores himself.</p>
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<p>TPG, my points are based on real facts, not hypotheses. The day colleges decide to drop the official reporting, I will endorse the add-on to the HS transcrits, IF the HS also assume the responsibility for accuracy and timeliness. However, at this time, colleges insist on direct reporting of official scores by TCB or the other group in Iowa. </p>
<p>Again, at this time, there are no reasons for high schools to wedge themselves in an area that should not interest them. </p>
<p>And, fwiw, the fact that you had to spend such small fortune DESPITE the listing by your progeny’s HS confirms that the inclusion of the scores was inefficient and unnecessary. On the other hand, what would you think if your HS misreported a test score and created confusion at one of your colleges? Again … real facts here. Not hypotheses! :)</p>
<p>One would hope that the parent had checked the official transcript - be sure to - like I did.
Hardly a biggee.</p>
<p>If your official high school transcript does not show ACT scores, you must provide an official ACT score report (sent to LU by ACT Inc) or SAT score report (sent to LU by the College Board). </p>
<p>[Langston</a> University Admission Application Introduction](<a href=“OKcollegestart - Page Not Found”>OKcollegestart - Page Not Found)</p>
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<p>People on this site talk from the cloud based on what Harvard and Stanford want - what about the Langstons of the universe that are willing to save the people the $10.50?</p>
<p>Btw - reading Auburn’s policy, looks like they were accepting school transcript scores until this year.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.auburn.edu/admissions/apply/requirements.html[/url]”>http://www.auburn.edu/admissions/apply/requirements.html</a></p>
<p>** Effective for students planning to enroll Summer or Fall 2012, official test scores must be sent to Auburn directly from the testing agency. We will no longer accept test scores posted on high school transcripts.</p>
<p>Xiggi, you should try one of his books!</p>
<p>xiggi and texaspg: I don’t know if this will help but here is our experience this year in Texas…When my S first took the SAT his HS was not listed for some of the reasons discussed. However when he got his free test as far as I could tell there is no choice, you have to list the HS. Also as far as I could tell, once it was already listed for the second take information from the first and 3rd takes were automatically forwarded to the HS even though the state didn’t contribute to the cost of these. S1 graduated before score choice was an option, and thus test scores appearing on the transcript were not a big deal, although I have not then or now found a college that accepts the scores on the transcript. Since score choice now exists I checked with my S2’s school and they weren’t altogether clear on what gets stamped on the back of the transcript but the best that they could tell is that the scores are not being transferred onto the transcript. Hopefully that is correct and if so I’m impressed with the district for keeping up with the change. So now that the HS has the scores I learned that certain combined TAKS and SAT scores could earn kids cool things like a yearbook and prom tickets. So, IMO if the school has access to the information but respects the student’s right to privacy I am fine with that. Whether its an opt in or opt out policy doesn’t matter to me as long as students and parents are informed of the policy and have a choice.</p>
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<p>This too, is a likely violation of federal privacy laws. Not only does the award indicate who scored well (earning free tix), but also who did not score well (no free tix).</p>
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<p>Absolutely agree. Then why would you support taking a private corporation’s records and (manually?) transcribing them onto a public high school transcript? (There is no free lunch. The transcription costs taxpayers real money.)</p>