<p>My sister did well in high school, but her time management skills is/has always been lacking. She doesn’t really have any ambition for school. </p>
<p>She finished the first year with a 2.7 gpa. My parents payed $10,000 for the first year and that was mostly b/c of a scholarship dependent on maintaining a 3.0 gpa. Now, if they are going to send her back to the school we’d have to pay for all 40,000. My parents don’t want to take out a loan for this b/c we not really sure she “gets it” yet–how seriously she’s going to take school if she does go back.</p>
<p>What we would like to do is to take her out of school for a year–help her find a job and she can take some classes at a community school to make up the courses she failed and any additional classes if she wants. When she is ready, she can go back to a 4-year school. </p>
<p>My question: If she does well in the community school courses, how likely will she be accepted into a different, maybe state school in a year?</p>
<p>She needs to go to the community college, and have a nice long meeting with the Transfer Advisor there. That person will be able to assess the likelihood of her being able to transfer to an affordable place.</p>
<p>Before she gives up completely on her first institution, she ought to find out if there is an appeal process for that scholarship. There might be.</p>
<p>Your sister is an adult. You don’t “take her out of school” or make her do anything she doesn’t want to do. Your parents can simply say they cannot pay the $40K in costs or do not want to do so and refuse to do so. It would be nice to give her a list of alternatives that she can do. If cost is the issue, yes, going to CC, commuting would save money for the year. Then for her last 2 years of college, in order to get a degree she would have to transfer to a 4 year school. If there are any such state schools local to the area that confer a 4 year degree, that would be the cost effective way to get her degree. How much it would cost to go away to even a state school depends on your state school prices. </p>
<p>As Happymomof1 suggests she should appeal her award, though in many cases, it won’t do any good. At my son’s school, once your cum goes below 3.0, doesn’t matter, you lose the award. And there is no getting it back. </p>
<p>A 2.7 GPA is low, but is not terrible. My son had the same situation, went to a private college on half scholarship, for 3 semesters. Had a 2.92 GPA in engineering. Needed a 3.0 GPA for the scholarship. The scholarship was cancelled, he appealed, and lost. Then he went to CC for one semester, applied to our state 4 year college, was accepted, and will be going there in Fall. There is always another way to accomplish your goals if you are determined. Good luck!</p>
<p>“We”? You are deciding your sister’s fate? As someone noted above, one does not “take” an adult out of school. Not even a quasi-adult. If you are helping to pay for it, or supporting the household, which amounts to the same thing, I can understand your thinking this way, but still…</p>
<p>That said, if she has not done well enough to retain her scholarship and her remaining at that school will entail borrowing as a result, then I think she ought to take a leave of absence and do something else until she has her act together: CC, a job, whatever. I think that your parents need to make it clear that they cannot and will not make up for the lost scholarship funds.</p>
<p>I have friends who borrowed $30K to keep their kid who had under-performed and lost his scholarship in school for another year, and he never graduated. They, and now he, were left with the debt, which as it happens prevented them from supporting the schooling of their younger son.</p>
<p>If she wants to continue her education at this time, she should definitely meet with someone at a local CC that has an articulation agreement with an affordable 4-year school.</p>
<p>This is an issue that is between your parents and your sister as to what to do next. When my son lost his scholarship, we made up the difference as some parents do. In our case, he finished in 4 years as does happen sometimes in such cases. It really comes down to what your parents can and are willing to do financially. </p>
<p>A relative of mine in is a similar situation. He was going to a larger state u., but did not make the grades to keep his scholarship after freshman year. He/his parents can’t afford the school without the scholarship. He is now transferring to a smaller branch campus of another state u. (mostly commuters) that is near his home. The tuition there is cheaper, and he can live at home and not pay expensive room/board. His parents hope this will help him study because he was probably having a little too much fun at the bigger state u.–parties, sports events, girlfriend, etc. This kid did very well in high school, but I think the distractions were too tempting.
Are you already certain that she will lose the entire scholarship?–some schools will take away a percentage of the scholarship according to the actual gpa. Some will give a semester or semester + summer to repair the gpa, etc. Different schools have different policies. I was once in a panic about my D possibly having to transfer if she didn’t make her scholarship GPA. She barely made it–and they rounded up–but she only would have lost 25% if she had 2.75-3.0. Anyway, just want anyone reading this thread to know to call the financial aid office at the college to find out what their particular policies are. Don’t assume “all is lost” until they tell you that.</p>
<p>A 2.7 isn’t horrible. I wouldn’t automatically assume that she needs to go to a CC. I would have HER look into the in state u’s and see if she can transfer there instead. </p>
<p>It’s not my business, but it is. I’m the oldest child. I’m from a “traditional” Asian family. I get nagged on when my siblings fail to do something. Anyways, my parents have come to me for advice and help with the research because that’s something they can’t do. </p>
<p>The gpa is not terrible, but because of the gpa the scholarship is gone. The cost is now $40,000 for this year. My parents are not going to pay. I know she won’t take a loan out. As a result, she will come home. </p>
<p>I think the best solution is to let her take a break from school and she can go back to school when SHE is ready because I think the issue here is her lack of motivation to do anything. </p>
<p>I guess my question is about how CC credits transfer to 4-year schools. How will her bad gpa from the first institution affect the application when she applies to a 4-year school? </p>
It will limit her to the selectivity level of her eventual target schools: sure. But it’s engineering and people understand. There are no insurmountable issues for her eventual (albeit delayed) bachelors at this point that i can see. In your last post, I think you’ve answered your own questions. The money isn’t there and now she has to take a less desirable path. That’s life for her and she (and your family) will manage.</p>
<p>What struck me most was the “she doesn’t really have any ambition for school.” One of the best ambition makers is to work a really boring entry-level job. She also needs some serious guidance to reassess her goals. Maybe then in the spring semester she can take classes at the CC. Most do have articulation agreements with 4-year colleges. I spent a summer purging mortgage files for a bank. After that, I was quite motivated to do well and go on to graduate school. </p>
<p>If she can’t visit the community college just yet, the two of you can check out its website. Use the search function to look for terms like “articulation agreement” or “transfer agreement”. Most community colleges have those arrangements with at least one public university within the same state. If you can’t find the information on the website, it is perfectly OK for you to call the admissions office at the CC, and ask how you would find it.</p>
<p>If a transfer agreement exists, and your sister completes the coursework with the GPA required in that transfer agreement, she will be automatically admitted to that major at that 4-year institution. No ifs. No ands. No buts. Yes, some or all of the coursework she’s already taken might apply to the CC program, and help her finish up the transfer requirements more quickly. It is also possible that she could need to complete a full two years of study in order to get the AA or AS degree needed for the transfer requirements. Remind everyone that that is OK too. When she does apply for transfer, she will need to provide an official copy of her original U’s transcript, but that will be a formality that won’t affect the transfer agreement because the CC will certify that she has completed the necessary program.</p>
<p>Asian immigrant parents are in a special category of their own. I expect that there are significant cultural and language challenges for your parents when dealing with higher education in the USA. You are a good big sister/brother to be helping your parents and younger sister through all of this. If you can help everyone remember that it isn’t necessary for your sister to get through college right away and in only four years to have a useful, happy, and successful life in this country, you will have managed to do a very good thing. Encourage everyone to keep their eyes on the longer-range goal.</p>
<p>However, the current school is unaffordable after the loss of the scholarship. So there may not be that many options, especially if lower cost in-state public universities prefer to see junior level transfers.</p>
<p>I see. I didn’t understand the cultural difference. My apologies. </p>
<p>Taking classes at a community college can boost her overall GPA. If she stays to get a degree, it can help her transfer too. Graduates of NYS community colleges are guaranteed admission to one of our state’s 4-year schools. If your state has a program like that, you should be able to find it on your community college website (under transfer information). If she can handle a part-time job, that sometimes helps motivate students to do well in school so they can get better jobs. Make sure she talks to a transfer advisor to find out what cc classes she needs to graduate with a 2-year degree. Good luck.</p>
<p>UW-Madison- the Wisconsin flagship accepts transfer students based on their college gpa who were not admitted as freshmen. Any transfer student needs at least a 3.0 college gpa to be admitted. A 2.7 would not suffice, it is far lower than the cutoff.</p>
<p>It sounds like your sister needs a reality check. Hopefully your parents will not pay the extra lost from the lack of scholarship money. She never would have gotten the scholarship with grades like that and I’ll bet she would have gone to a more affordable college. Strongly suggest to your parents that she take a break from college and work at whatever (menial) job a HS grad can get to earn her own money fore college and to decide if she really wants it.</p>
<p>Plenty of US physicians, lawyers and other highly educated people have spent time as young adults working in low skill, low paid jobs. There is no shame in it. I worked food service in college before my medical school days. My H is from India and had enough scholarships plus better family finances to not need other work. Working at menial jobs reminds you to study and get your degree so you don’t have to depend on jobs like those for the rest of your life. I have many stories from fellow physicians and PhDs about their preprofessional jobs. That factory worker, food server or cab driver could someday be your doctor, professor…</p>