M408D vs M408M for People with BC credit

<p>I've read older threads about this and those were partially helpful but those were primarily concerning business and engineering majors. For a math major which course would be the appropriate one to take? I made a 5 on both the AB and BC exams. The difference between the two courses from what I've read is that 408D has sequences and series while 408M does not. Does the BC curriculum cover all the seq&series material that 408D does? Does 408M go more in depth than 408D? I'm looking for depth (and more theory than application) and don't care about which is easier. I just wouldn't want to take 408M if it means that I'm missing out on some seq&ser material that I don't know yet.</p>

<p>Also do people typically take both M427K and M427L? M427L has more of what I'm looking for but 427K has fourier series and laplace transforms which doesn't appear to be in 427L. I'm actually a comp sci major, but also aiming for higher level degree in math in hopes to do research</p>

<p>Utopiahunter, I am in a very similar situation to yours. I received a 5 on both the AB and BC exams and I wasn't sure what courses to look into. I am pursuing a Mathematics and Computer Science degree.</p>

<p>408D repeats topics I already learned. Why sit through that?</p>

<p>408M covers new grounds, but is part of a slower, three-semester sequence. I'm seeking something a little faster paced when entering college with two years of Calculus.</p>

<p>I'm enrolled in 427L (AP-Honors). After a conversation with the mathematics department, I learned the class is designed for students fresh out of the BC exam seeking something with a faster pace. It also completes the required calculus sequence.</p>

<p>Maybe this is what you were looking for.</p>

<p>I'm looking into becoming a math major too. During orientation, I went to the math department office and one of their advisers said that since BC covers K and L I should just go take M. The C, D track covers the same amount of material as the K, L, and M track. so taking M instead of D would be more strategic because the new material is spread over a longer period.</p>

<p>Were you recommended to enroll in 427L or did you decide for yourself to get in it? The end of both 408D and 408M both cover some multivariable and I was wondering if taking 427L would leave me behind a little. I have minimal background in gradients and partial differentials. What I'm really wondering is if 427L teaches those things as if it's something new or as something you should already know.</p>

<p>I also got a 5 on the AB and BC exams, but I chose to take 408D. I'm a math major, too. I decided that while I didn't want to retake differential/integral calculus again, I thought that I could use a review in sequences/series before taking multivariable calculus. Even though I think that I could just go straight into multivariable calculus, I figure that it doesn't hurt to become solid in something that is required of my major.</p>

<p>It was my decision to take 427L after speaking to another student who took the same route. I used to be worried about the same thing: being unprepared for multivariate calculus.</p>

<p>I am now set on the notion that the 427L AP Honors course is ONLY for incoming students passing the BC exam. Therefore, it will be a class full of freshmen students relatively on the same level as me (lacking in multivariate practice). The professor will be teaching the material with that in mind.</p>

<p>I debated between 408D/M and 427L nearly all summer. I think it's a choice based on how confident you feel with your calculus and how fast you can pick up new material.</p>

<p>I am expecting it to be a difficult class.</p>

<p>I'll probably give a call to a counselor to confirm what you've said about 427L. I also want to take 427K or a course of equivalent knowledge eventually. I doubt there would be a problem taking L then K. I want to get more ahead in math since I'm considering dual majoring in math as well. I'm also in Turing Scholars and am considering the Masters in 5-years plan. I don't know how difficult it would be to dual major, be in Turing, and get the Masters in 5 years. I never took a CS in highschool so I've been teaching myself java this summer and will be starting with CS 307 instead of 315H.</p>

<p>@Maerth, which time slot for 408D do you have? One reason I'm trying to avoid taking 408D is the professor, Coker, who I haven't read many good things about. I wouldn't mind taking the 408D AP Honors but that's already filled up.</p>


<p>I am in the AP-honors one. :\ I have Odell.</p>

<p>I meant Allcock not Coker</p>

<p>yea, I didn't see that many good things about allcock's class either (based off of the UT surveys). it's not bad, but it's only average. is riskier to take his class or riskier to take a class taught by an unknown professor?</p>

<p>Utopia, I swear we're the same person. I'm a Turing Scholar also pursuing a math degree.</p>

<p>If you cannot get into the 408D AP-Honors, I would consider 427L. It will undoubtedly be a harder course, but skipping 408D/M gives you an extra semester to work with. Plus, 427L AP-Honors puts you in a room with students who are all on the same level.</p>

<p>Which orientation did you go to? We may have already met. If I could hear of another person at our level taking 427L then that would be probably be all the coaxing I need. I'm moving in on Fri and will talk to a faculty advisor asap since they won't talk over the phone.</p>

<p>I was at the first one: June 09-12.</p>

<p>I'll PM you my email.</p>

<p>I found two resources that could be very helpful for choosing.
<a href="http://www.ma.utexas.edu/dev/Aram/Teaching/M408MSyllabus.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ma.utexas.edu/dev/Aram/Teaching/M408MSyllabus.pdf&lt;/a>
M427L</a> Syllabus
It appears that 427L really squeezes the contents of 408M and then hits some really hardcore stuff. One time I was curious and tried to learn line integrals; I was completely lost. I think overall it would be favorable for me to take 408M. Besides the credit you get for Calc BC is 408K or 408L, which naturally means 408M follows. When I encounter those things in 427L that are also in 408M I don't want it to be for the first time. What leads me to choose 408M over 408D is this statement:
"In comparison with M408D, [M408M] covers fewer chapters of the text. However, some material is covered in greater depth, and extra time is devoted the development of skills in algebra and problem solving. This is not a course in the theory of calculus."
The key words for me are "depth" and "skill."</p>

<p>I still won't make any decision until after I've spoken with a faculty adviser in person though. Hopefully they'll be more helpful than the others I've encountered so far.</p>

<p>Well great, just checked and it appears that all 408D and 408M classes are full or waitlisting. It'll be difficult for me to change if I choose to do so.</p>

<p>Edit: Bam! "Students with a score of 4 or 5 on the Calculus BC Examination may enroll in a reserved advanced placement section of M 427L in lieu of M 408D." This single statement relieves so much of my stress.</p>

<p>coincidentally, im trying to decide b/w taking 408d and 427l honors this year. if you two guys took it, how was the class? were you able to understand the material? did it cover multivariable calc? would you recommend 427l?</p>


<p>M408D barely covers any multivariable. Because the pace is so fast, we only spent around a week on partial and a week on double/triple integrals. </p>

<p>You can check out sample tests from Dr. Gonzalez here. He's the best prof if you like multiple choice.
MATH</a> 408D</p>

<p>These are Davis' sample tests, she's the best teacher if you want the "show your work" type of questions.
<a href="http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/davis/408d/EXAMS/exams.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ma.utexas.edu/users/davis/408d/EXAMS/exams.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>