<p>Don has some nerve to take offense at Megan’s love scene when he is sleeping with the woman upstairs. What a hypocrite.</p>
<p>Lergnom, you beat me to it, after the Ketchup presentations that iconic 70’s Carly Simon Heinz Ketchup ad was pulled from the depths of my subconscious where it has laid dormant for 40 years. How is it possible I remember that commercial (with the tantalizingly slow flow of ketchup we all breathlessly waited for the entire 30 seconds, and Carly’s clear powerful voice) in its entirety but I cannot remember two of the five things I wanted to get at the grocery store today :rolleyes:!! A true tribute to the power of advertising!</p>
<p>For your nostalgic enjoyment: [classic</a> Heinz Ketchup Anticipation TV ad 1979 - YouTube](<a href=“classic Heinz Ketchup Anticipation TV ad 1979 - YouTube”>classic Heinz Ketchup Anticipation TV ad 1979 - YouTube)</p>
<p>Does anyone know the ad company that did this? Is it ironically the firm that won the Ketchup account in last night’s episode?</p>
<p>Leo Burnett in Chicago. But that wasn’t until 1974:</p>
<p>[H.J</a>. Heinz Co. | AdAge Encyclopedia of Advertising - Advertising Age](<a href=“http://adage.com/article/adage-encyclopedia/h-j-heinz/98692/]H.J”>H.J. Heinz Co.)</p>
<p>razorsharp, totally agree. I asked my wife “did you notice how bad they are making megan look?” I think she has looked worse since the beginning of the season and then progressively so…I presume us seeing her now as through Don’s eyes. Think of the difference between her in her initial scenes with Don up to and including the beach trip with the kids, and now. I’m not attracted to her anymore at all. In fact, I think they’ve made her look almost hideous. He can barely tolerate being around her and he can’t even fake any passion towards her, even though he can continue to abuse her. We saw this huge double standard…not allowing even tiny flirtations while he goes on massive full affair sprees…before with Betty. Another almost total dichotomy/disconnect in his personality that mirrors his ongoing identity duality.</p>
<p>Reminds me of the expression, “All women are whores except my mother who is a saint.”</p>
<p>Except in Don’s case…</p>
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<p>She looks the same to me but I’ve never thought of her as gorgeous. Probably because I think she needs braces.</p>
<p>Ahh–I hate Ketchup but still have a bottle of Heinz in my frig!
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<p>My wife is watching last week’s episode. It makes me realize the extent to which we - or at least I - attribute thoughts to characters because of the actor. When Don rips Megan I have trouble seeing past Jon Hamm as Don Draper to the obvious re-enacting in that innocent “love” scene to his pregnant (step-)mother lying down in the same motions for Mac. I find it tough to think of Don being so superficially unable to recognize the obvious difference.</p>
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<p>I took his expression to be chagrin that she ripped off his line ‘change the conversation’ mixed with admiration that she was succeeding at ripping off the firm’s new business in what they thought was secret deal. </p>
<p>Peggy is now beating Don at his own game. Heinz bought her campaign on the spot. That used to be what Don did. I also stand by my analysis from last week - Don is losing his touch.</p>
<p>Heinz didn’t buy either of the campaigns, but went with J. Walter Thompson. (The line went by fast, almost missed it myself.) That’s why all of them looked so glum in the bar. Peggy hasn’t beat Don at his own game…yet. But Don’s firm has now lost the the Heinz beans, sauces etc. business, so I guess you could say Peggy’s firm suffered less damage. But on a personal level, Peggy lost a good friend.</p>
<p>^ Thanks, I did miss that. I thought Peggy got the account!</p>
<p>I would say the Heinz thing was a trap set by Timmy the Ketchup guy to tick off Raymond the Beans guy so he’d fire Sterling Cooper, the agency whose work has given Raymond corporate recognition. It worked, which shows why Timmy runs Ketchup and Raymond does beans. </p>
<p>Peggy’s work was like that of a junior. She recited Don’s old lines. She gave a statement about what the problem should be - that others are saying their “catsup” is as good as “ketchup” - and put out a blunt solution, a huge bottle of Heinz Ketchup. She didn’t get into it as deeply as Don’s work did.</p>
<p>Quick note on the opening. Realtor, showing a listing of $28,000, says to Peggy, “When they finish the Second Avenue Subway, the price of this apartment will quadruple.”</p>
<p>That subway is still in the “planning stage,” and likely will never be built. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, the average price of a Manhattan apartment, today, is north of a million.</p>
<p>I noticed a reference to Le Cirque recently, which didnt open until 1974.</p>
<p>Matt Weiner has issued a mea culpa for the Le Cirque gaffe ([Matt</a> Weiner Sorry for Mad Men?s Le Cirque Error – Vulture](<a href=“http://www.vulture.com/2013/04/mad-men-le-cirque.html]Matt”>Matt Weiner Is Sorry for Mad Men’s Le Cirque Mistake)).</p>
<p>The Second Avenue subway reference was hoot for anyone who lived in Manhattan at any time over the last 45 years. But I believe construction work on the line is actually underway now–not that I think anyone posting here will live to actually ride on it.</p>
<p>I’m wondering how the show will handle Bobby Kennedy’s assassination, which is only a couple of months away, and the Democratic National convention in August. The national events of 1968 were so intense (at the time it seemed every day’s newspaper had a screaming headline–from the the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia to the athletes who gave the black power salute at the summer Olympics) that I think it will be a delicate task to keep them from overwhelming the personal stories.</p>
<p>I don’t watch the show often, but do they ever mention their primary competitor- McMann and Tate?</p>
<p>Another anachronism was Pete’s use of the phrase “movie of the week”. It didn’t begin until 1969. </p>
<p>This episode was a departure and a nice step back from people acting badly. And it showed an essential Man Men characteristic: the last episode ends with Don being a complete jerk to Megan and yet a few months later they seem closer than before. The show won’t tell us what happened. Since Megan is strong, they probably had it out in some way and he apologized but we’ll never know.</p>
<p>My first thought during the ad awards was that RFK had been shot - because “Paul Newman” was talking about supporting Eugene McCarthy over RFK. Then it occurred to me the dinner was at night. Reason this is important is personal: MLK was murdered on my birthday and RFK was murdered on my mother’s birthday. And note that Megan won an “Andy”. This is the Advertising Club of New York’s award, not the much more well known Clio Awards. I thought it was telling they focused on the award. Yes, it was on the couch but they focused on it so you could read it. </p>
<p>I liked the 2 by 2 repeated symbolism, even the bluntness of it from Michael’s father. (Remember, Michael was born in a concentration camp and this man adopted him from a Swedish orphanage.) The sweetest was certainly Abe’s offhand remark to Peggy about where he expects “our kids” to grow up. Elizabeth Moss did a great job conveying the subtleties of shock & happiness with just her face. And I loved Pete and Harry going at each other. That’s what they do; they’re a pair too. Pete unable to say much real to Trudy, getting closer to but not able to reach actual emotion, and then being confronted by a Chinese delivery man who literally doesn’t speak English. </p>
<p>I thought the scene with Don and Megan was wonderful. She takes away his liquor and he talks to her. We know she knows about much of his past. Here he opens up about his inability to feel and then suddenly to feel and how he sees this relates to his own childhood. Jon Hamm and Jessica Par</p>
<p>Am I the only one who thought that Don received Bobby’s worry about Henry being shot as a slap in the face? It was very understated and maybe I’m reading too much into it but Don seemed a bit stung by his son’s concern for his stepfather and that it came out a bit when he comforted him by saying “Henry’s not that important”. I wonder how he will respond when/if Henry runs for office, is elected, and suddenly is “that important”.</p>
<p>Just finished season 2. Thoroughly hooked. Just watched Katie Couric’s show – she had the whole cast on. Fun seeing the cast in modern clothes. The little girl – wow, she grew up!</p>
<p>I thought it drove home how much he’s left his children. He has no idea how to be a father, never felt loved and only now is waking up. Betty says he takes every opportunity to avoid spending time with them.</p>