Mad Men

<p>VAMom - yes, maybe bi, if he really was sleeping with Joan, which isn’t completely clear (maybe just a friendly sleepover??!!) Also, it was him that Peggy called to come help her with the rat, wasn’t it? Hard to tell on my screen. Rewound that a few times and still couldn’t tell, nor was it clear whether the figure next to him in the bed was male or female. (Peggy says “Bring her” but that doesn’t really confirm anything). Who was it she called? (Didn’t think she was that close to Bob so that didn’t make sense to me if it was him).</p>

<p>roshke - me too, some days (re Bob’s motives). Other days I am sure he is genuinely good. Can’t wait to find out.</p>

<p>1968 - perfect timing for Sally to become a rebellious, pot-smoking hippie. Woodstock is 1969… I can just see her there, free-loving it with men (boys) who would make Don (not to mention Betty) throw up.</p>

<p>She called Stan… although why he had a poster of Moshe Dayan over his bed is beyond me.</p>

<p>thanks Snuggy, that makes a lot more sense.</p>

<p>There was nothing to indicate Bob was sleeping with Joan. They were going to the beach. That’s all we saw.</p>

<p>Stan is not gay. He had sex in the office with Gleason’s daughter.</p>

<p>Stan had the poster of Moshe Dayan because he’s a with-it-cool-kinda-dude. In a year or two, he’ll replace it with a picture of Che.</p>

<p>Just caught last week’s episode this morning.</p>

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<p>I’m sticking to my guns from pages back in this thread that Don is losing his touch - or he just doesn’t care anymore (although the scene in the plane with Roger on the way out to CA the week before says that’s not true).</p>

<p>Ted now has to stand in Don’s office and explain to him - loudly - that you don’t allow one bad feeling to come into a client meeting: not the food, not the wine, and certainly not The War. </p>

<p>This is basic, basic stuff that Don would never have screwed up in his regular old philandering days.</p>

<p>??? So Pete is keeping Bob’s cover why-? So he can extort something in future?</p>

<p>It makes little sense except in the light that Pete uncovered Don’s secret, tried to get something for it and was told to pound sand by Bert and Roger, who made the point that no one cares. That and now he can set the terms for someone Pete realizes is good at the job.</p>

<p>I haven’t thought it through but an issue with Pete has been his “breeding”, being one of the old Dutch NY families, and his rebellion against that by working in advertising (also required because funds have run down over the generations), compared to Don’s made up background … and now Bob’s. </p>

<p>But then the episode was “the quality of mercy” and we saw some versions of that.</p>

<p>OMG, they killed Kenny (sorry, I couldn’t resist)!
I actually said that out loud at the beginning of tonight’s episode and am very grateful to see that he’s survived, although I hope his eye can be saved.</p>

<p>Very interesting Bob Benson/Don Draper parallels right down to the alliterative names. Being put on the Chevy account is the answer to Pete’s prayers and he’s learned from experience that a big reveal of someone else’s dirty secret gets him nowhere. Still, I’m not really buying that Bob=Don because the situation is very different. When Pete tried to take Don down, he was going up against someone who was seen as critical to the firm’s success as well as his superior. Of course, that wasn’t going to work; Roger and Bert needed Don (btw, it was nice to see Bert Cooper again). Bob OTOH is junior to Pete and while everyone but Pete likes him, revealing that he is a fraud would not put Pete in the same jeopardy that threatening Don did. I guess he’s just going to hold the information until he sees an opportunity to use it most effectively.</p>

<p>Don is really on a downward spiral now. Even his clever tactic in the Johnsons baby aspirin meeting which got them to increase the budget, backfires when he alienates both Ted and Peggy who actually calls Don a monster. Is he really willing to accept never seeing Sally again?</p>

<p>Don the monster lying there at the end just like Rosemary’s baby.</p>

<p>Pete didn’t have to reveal Bob’s secret to take him out, he had already won. All Bob wanted was a day’s head start. Suddenly Pete gives up his dearest wish, which had been to see the last of Bob. Mercy isn’t one of Pete’s usual attributes, I have to think he’s decided he will be able to use Bob by keeping him close.</p>

<p>Once again Don manages to screw Ted over; Peggy is right, he is a monster. Prominent shot of the door to the terrace near the end of the episode. I say Don is going over. Not now, not even soon, but eventually.</p>

<p>Re: Sally at Miss Porter’s - Looks like she established some street cred with the girls by calling out Glen’s friend and having Glen punch him out in front of everybody. But I bet Betty gets wind that Glen is within striking distance or the school and vetoes the whole thing.</p>

<p>This episode was the only one this season written by the executive producers so I think it carries some weight.</p>

<p>Funny but the girls I knew who went to Miss Porter’s would, I think, have agreed with the portrayal. </p>

<p>First, I think Don woke up a bit about the firm though the way that was presented make it feel odd. They see Ted and Peggy at Rosemary’s Baby and then Don calls Harry Crane. My reaction is Don like Megan could see what was going on and that made him see he needed to act for the firm, not just on a personal level for Ted. Remember, Ted thought Don was competing with him, something I didn’t see happening (as in, Sunkist was just a meeting Roger set up to go along with the real goal of landing the huge Carnation account). But as Jim Cutler’s reaction shows, once Sunkist told Harry they’d go to an $8M account with TV that blew Ocean Spray out of the water from the agency’s perspective. If we’re talking a 15% commission, that’s an extra 3/4 of a million dollars. And note Don let Cutler make the call. </p>

<p>As to the St.J’s ad. Don was entirely right. As creative director, he needed to let the client know what the budget was at. Yes, he could see what was going on. Ginsburg saw it too. (BTW, I hated the ad myself because it was creepy.) The proper thing would have been to sit with the client and get a new budget approved, which is what they ended up doing. But it took Don’s invention of a story. Why? All I can see is what’s on screen and what I saw was Ted floundering because he had no reason. That Don chose to come close to the truth was really well done.</p>

<p>Was Peggy right calling Don a monster? Does she really think Ted will leave his family? He won’t. The relationship is doomed. Don shows mercy to Ted and in the end to Peggy but it doesn’t benefit him exactly, just the firm. Remember Joan said Don needed to be more a team player to stop going in a direction and expecting everyone to come along. This is more being a team player. </p>

<p>So the episode opens with Don in a fetal position in Sally’s bed. And it ends with him in a fetal position on his couch. Is he being reborn? Was this giant screwing up of the one relationship that has always meant something to him with the one person he has always loved … was it his rock bottom? We did see some signs of change but this being Don I have to wonder. It looked at times like he was changing but at other times like he was wallowing. Don is actually a baby a 3rd time when he literally plays one for Ted. But in that scene, the baby is the son of the devil - remember the line, “He has his father’s eyes” - which means Don is … except it’s a St. Joseph’s baby aspirin ad. </p>

<p>I’m not sure what to make of Pete except for what he says. He says that Bob is better at being an account man. Maybe that resonates with Pete because, as I noted above, he isn’t a natural account man, coming from a patrician family where that kind of work was considered low class, and of course because he’s worked with Don knowing his entire persona is false. Maybe Bob’s caring for him paid off. But in that it’s hard to connect Bob’s yelling about Pete being a bleep to Manolo in Spanish. I can understand he’s really upset but … maybe there’s more there and it will become more complicated. And I don’t underestimate how unhappy Pete is. They make it obvious. And in this case, the mercy works in a closer Shakespearian sense of benefitting both the giver and the receiver. </p>

<p>I loved the sort of coven scene at Miss Porter’s. It feels wrong at first, even cruel, and the complete division between the oh-so-correct headmistress and the girls was much like Rosemary’s Baby again. But Sally realizes she can take it and that this is a freedom she’s never had and won’t have living with her mother. Boys, alcohol, pot, going out at night, sneaking around. Bad choice for Sally? I don’t know. If Betty was my mother and I was living in that house with Henry’s mother and my dad was running around on my beautiful step-mother then … maybe the best thing is to get away for a while. </p>

<p>My reaction seeing Betty tell Sally she could smoke was that Betty was relieved. She’s relieved Sally will be leaving. She’s relieved she can stop mothering her - something she’s simply not good at doing. She’s relieved she can now start to deal with her daughter on something like the level at which she actually is, which is an overgrown teen. Betty can relate to Sally at boarding school because, remember, Betty essentially bolted to become a model. </p>

<p>I’ll bet the Jacquemetton’s are asked if they put in Glen to make Matt Weiner happy. (Glen is played by his son Marten, if you didn’t know.) But it works and that scene where Glen literally comes to Sally’s defense was great. Foolish adolescent great.</p>

<p>I think Glen is an important character. He’s a constant in Sally’s life and one of the only people in her life that really listens to her and will come to her aid without a second thought.</p>

<p>I’ve read a few reviews that talk about Shylock. I don’t see it. The speech “the quality of mercy is not strained” sits apart from the action, which revolves around a Christian mis-statement of Jewish law to make a Christian point for audiences who’d never seen a Jew. </p>

<p>I thought the natural alliance in the new firm would be Pete and Don but it isn’t. Don and Roger sit together with Jim and Ted. Pete is on the outside though he’s been the main accounts man at SCDP. It’s a strange sort of rehabilitation of Roger - without any apparent effort. But Pete and Don don’t get along. Neither can get past their history. But Pete and Bob? Pete even says he’s learned not to tangle with these self-inventers. He can, he says, see ability so why not get that on his side? I think that makes a lot of sense. It’s almost the first time Pete’s acted sensibly this season. </p>

<p>I also don’t make a lot of what’s going on between Don and Megan because we see only bits of it. People are focusing on him drinking instead of coming to bed and turning her soap off - remember, some of these were still being done live, not to tape. That may have been Megan on air that afternoon. When people focus on one interaction, they miss the others. Don and Megan went to the movies. They talk about going out for dinner. They’re affectionate in some moments and distant others. I can’t read more into it just because I want to.</p>

<p>BTW, I thought Don’s conversation with Betty was great. He flatters her by comparing her to Jackie Onassis, which she eats up. And he really compliments her by saying she married well twice. Her responses show a new ease between them as well as a recognition of the distance. </p>

<p>I wondered a lot about Glen. Why involve him? From a plot perspective, it means Sally thought of him at his boarding school when the MP girls demanded she produce the goods. That he becomes her protector I thought was a nice riff on her relationship with her father, who has just let her down.</p>

<p>I agree that Glen is an important character. Remember how Betty was weirdly drawn to him seasons ago? He genuinely likes Sally and is there for her in a way neither of her parents are. His life has an odd parallell to the Drapers. Notice the peace sign as he leaves the dorm? How much should we bet that Glen will be drafted? Or becomes a draft dodger?</p>

<p>“Don is actually a baby a 3rd time when he literally plays one for Ted.” – Good one! I didn’t connect that to the fetal position we see Don in, but of course you’re right Lergnom. </p>

<p>In that Spanish-speaking scene with Bob, are we supposed to think that Bob and Manolo are lovers out to exploit Pete and his mother? (And is Manolo Spanish or Italian? Mabe it’s because of the shoes, but Manolo sounds Italian to me.)</p>

<p>I also liked the scene where Don sees Megan playing a twin, and switches the channel to the Patty Duke show where she plays a “twin cousin.”</p>

<p>Well, Manolo Blahnik is Spanish.</p>

<p>Manolo is a nickname for the Spanish name Manuel. </p>

<p>Remember when Pete asked Bob if Manolo was “Spanish from Spain - because otherwise Mother will refuse”?</p>

<p>Now that Sally will be with the Miss Porter’s set, will we also see her at a deb ball–perhaps fulfilling another of her mother’s unrealized dreams? Will this raise issues about her Don Draper pedigree? She’s almost 15, and Weiner is on board for at least two more seasons, so she will be old enough.</p>

<p>Think it is funny how we get personally involved with these characters. Our concern for Ken’s eye, Sally’s mindset , etc</p>

<p>Reminds me of when my wife and I went to see Seinfeld and someone asked Seinfeld during the Q & A “How is Kramer doing.” Jerry’s response —“folks he’s a tv character!”</p>