Male privilege denialism

I am from the midwest and the PNW and it is definitely the norm in both places to hold the door for anyone. I’ve traveled a lot in the south and haven’t noticed it happening more frequently there. I am out and about today and have been involved in three door holding situations. I was the holder once and the recipient twice.

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My father, from a traditional, patriarchal society in the Caribbean, would get upset if the females would try and open the door even if he was 10-15’ behind us. He would almost try and block us getting to the door and say, “Will you permit me?” (and it wasn’t really a question). The expectation was that the female would just wait around for a male to open the door for her. If a guy today behaved in such a way, I could understand someone telling him something, but I think it’s a very rare bird who does that nowadays.

That’s what I encountered more frequently than I expected at university. People who wouldn’t hold the door for less than a second for a person coming behind them. But perhaps it had to do with the age range (i.e. mostly 18-22 year olds) that they picked up better manners once they got out in the real world, but it was something that was never an issue at my deep south high school.

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I’ve spent probably about half of my life in Wisconsin and (now) Iowa, and I am a prodigious door-holder, and typically people say “thank you” or nothing. Nobody has ever reacted negatively in my experience – not that I noticed, anyway.

There seems to be a difference between hustling/bustling cities (more likely, no comment) and slower-paced rural areas (more likely, “thank you”).

Maybe I enjoy holding doors to make up for my impish behavior as a child:

As a boy, my wish was to be a Roman soldier. I saw some old movie depicting a soldier guarding a door, so at family get-togethers I would stand in front of the front door and as family and friends approached, I would say, “Use another entrance; this door is being guarded.” So I am serving my penance for those antics.

lol

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Getting back to the original question, here is an analogy to grievance bias, meaning the tendency to notice unfair disadvantages against oneself more than unfair disadvantages against others.

Consider fans of a sports team watching a close game. A controversial referee’s decision would likely have flipped the game if it went the other way. If the actual decision were in the fans’ team’s favor, the fans would not be talking about it much as they celebrate the team’s victory. But if the actual decision were against the fans’ team, they would be complaining loudly about how the referee gave the game to the other team.

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Trying to decide if a tongue-in-cheek response is warranted here… :wink:

I live in MA and hold doors for everyone regardless of gender - I can’t imagine yelling at someone who was holding the door for me.

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Yes they did, but not to the liking of all progressives. There have been calls to get rid of it so they can artificially engineer the desired outcomes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/arts/music/blind-auditions-orchestras-race.html

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This is common courtesy IMO and has nothing to do with being a LEO. I would have done the same, as would my other non-LEO friends. And we’d do it regardless of gender if someone looked like they could use some assistance.

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That was an identifier for which of our sons we had dinner with. I’m not a LEO, and I held the door as well. It’s the way I was raised, and the way we raised both of our sons. It’s odd that you focused on the LEO part.

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Since you specifically mentioned your son’s profession, it’s reasonable to assume that’s relevant to your post.
Anyway, thanks for clarifying.

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Had I said “soccer son” would you have commented in a similar fashion? I’m certain your non-college soccer player friends also hold doors.

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Yes, of course. I would have wondered what the connection was. When people mention a profession or other attribute it’s typically relevant to the point being made.

Anyway, I’m not continuing this tangent.

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Which, by the way, would likely be anti-women, especially within violin sections. If you look at America’s leading orchestras, most of the violinists these days are women of Asian or European/American descent.

@marilyn posted this in the cartoon thread but it belongs here too.

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I don’t think the intent is to discriminate against women.

I’m having a hard time imagining a post like this.

“This is common courtesy IMO and has nothing to do with being a soccer player.”

I’m moving on from your tangent as well. :oncoming_police_car: :soccer:

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I almost put it here.

I’m responding to @Knowsstuff days after his post –

Congratulations to your mother, your sisters, and your wife for succeeding in spite of obstacles thrown in their path by men. But, consider this: They were outstanding women, so good for them!

Gloria Steinem said, “Women will not have achieved true equality until mediocre women are promoted at the same rate as mediocre men.”

And that summarizes male privilege for me, because we’re not at that point yet.

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Women shouldn’t have to be more qualified to get the same respect men do.

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This is a very important point that it seems many forget or never learned.

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