Male privilege denialism

Men feel a greater level of personal safety because in their intimate relationships they are safer. To paraphrase Margeret Atwood, a man’s greatest fear is that a woman will laugh at him, while a woman’s greatest fear is that men will kill her.

Domestic Violence/Intimate Partner Violence Facts | Emory School of Medicine.

  • Domestic violence is commonly referred to as intimate partner violence (IPV)
  • Eighty-five percent of IPV victims are women. A woman is beaten every 9 seconds.
  • Every year nearly 5.3 million incidents of IPV occur among U.S. women aged 18 and older
  • IPV results in nearly 1300 deaths and 2 million injuries every year in the United States
  • More than 3 women are killed by husbands/boyfriends everyday
  • 1 in 3 women worldwide has been forced into sex, beaten, or otherwise abused another way during her lifetime
  • Women aged 16-24 are most likely to be victimized by an intimate partner
  • Women are 5 to 8 times more likely than men to be victimized by an intimate partner
  • Most IPV incidents are not reported to the police - only 20% of rapes/sexual assaults, 25% of physical assaults, and 50% of stalking towards women are reported
  • Despite severe under-reporting of IPV, calls related to IPV make up about half of all violent crime calls to police departments
  • Only about 1 out of 5 IPV victims with physical injuries seek professional medical treatment
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Has nothing to do with belief.

Look, the first time I heard the phrase white privilege I about lost my mind. I was defensive about my sacrifices and accomplishments and I was ignorant about the term.

Privilege refers to a condition you were born with and cannot change. I cannot change the fact I am white and tall. I AM capable of changing how much money I have. In our society, being white and tall has provided me with some advantages others do not have. I can think of some employment or social situations where being female might have given me an unfair advantage over a man.

Likewise, the poor male with the deceased brothers still has some privileges stemming from his maleness. In this context male privilege has nothing to do with whether or not he experienced or overcame any hardships or how much money he does or does not earn. Those are not conditions he was born with.

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However, it can also be true that his overall level of privilege is very low or negative, with any male privilege being offset by substantial disadvantage from other sources besides sex or gender (e.g. by being born into a poor dysfunctional family in a low opportunity area).

It is not surprising that those with very low or negative overall levels of privilege are likely to resent being told that they have privilege of any kind, even if it is true.

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Exactly. If you’re comparing his overall economic or social status to mine, then I am the far more privileged in that context (as a byproduct of having been born into a middle class family in the burbs)

If that person has a sister and you’re considering which of the two of them have spent the most time trying to avoid situations where they could be sexually assaulted, then he is the one who has benefitted from an advantage he was born with.

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Men can choose to attend college. They can study and work hard. No one is preventing that. And the “lack of male teachers in elementary schools” excuse is baloney. There were ZERO male teachers in my elementary school (save the PE teacher) and that was typical of most elementary schools then. I raised both a son and daughter and neither was allowed to slack off.

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Please discuss the topic rather than the individuals contributing. Thank you for your understanding.

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I think that elementary schools like to hire male teachers if they can get them!

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And it can happen anywhere.

I was a college student walking in an upscale urban neighborhood on a Sunday afternoon surrounded by dozens of others. I chatted briefly with a male jogger who jogged away and then returned to a) proposition me and when I refused b) tried to push me into my house. In full view of others. I pushed him back and got to safety, but I’m sure this isn’t unusual.

I really doubt that would happen to a male. And okay – don’t talk to strangers – lesson learned. But what a crappy lesson.

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I think male teachers are desired at every level. That said, they have to be super careful about touching, complimenting, critiquing, etc. it’s a delicate cakewalk.

When I went to college it had just recently gone coed. It was still about 75% female when I attended. And many, if not most of the females were strong, vocal, independent undergrads. That said, many of the campus political offices quickly became dominated by males. Small number in total but a loud group. There seems to be a parallel in many places, including conversations about this very topic. I am glad a male started this thread and is open to discussing his privilege and enlightening others in this much needed discussion.

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Not sure how that conclusion is drawn about this thread. The topic is being dominated by posters that aren’t male. The small number of males posting are being drowned out, shut down. Perhaps it’s our male privilege that is seen as overbearing when we comment.

That is a surprising perception. Looks to me like 4 of the top 6 posters (and 6 of the top 10) in this thread are male, including the top spot.

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I’ve actually been impressed by the overall civility and thoughtfulness of this thread, with only a few exceptions. I appreciate civil discourse, so thank you to those who are so engaging.

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Although anti-DEI folks might cringe, this is where intersectionality plays in. There are a multitude of characteristics that we have, some of which provide unearned advantages in our society, and some of which provide unearned disadvantages in our society. Some of the big categories are:

  • Country of birth
  • Socioeconomic status in family of origin
  • Educational status in family of origin
  • Race
  • Sex
  • Gender
  • Religion

When trying to figure out if there is an unearned (dis)advantage at play, keep all the other factors the same and then just switch one characteristic. If changing one characteristic will create an unearned (dis)advantage, then that’s a form of unearned privilege.

Having any sort of unearned privilege (or lacking an unearned disadvantage), does not mean that one does not have unearned disadvantages in other categories. The more unearned disavantages one has, the more of an uphill battle it is. The more unearned advantages one has, the smoother the process may be.

Additionally, the same characteristic is not universally going to produce an unearned advantage or unearned disadvantage. For instance, I suspect that females are more likely to be selected as overnight babysitters than male ones, particularly if it’s for a female child. Chances are that the males would have been great, but statistics on sexual abuse would lead to an unearned advantage for the females (even though there are females who commit sexual assaults).

All of this to say, is that people have unearned advantages depending on their characteristics. And those same characteristics are not universally going to be an advantage/disadvantage. Thus, I have a hard time understanding why some people have a hard time acknowledging where they have had unearned advantages in their life, particularly if they have been able to see where they had unearned disadvantages.

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I think that recognizing one’s privilege allows one to empathize with others who do not have that same built-in privilege. It doesn’t mean you have to give up your own anything … it just means that you have to understand the difficulties others endure that you don’t have to endure. Being aware, empathetic, understanding, respectful of the shoes others have to walk in (or perhaps the legs they have to walk on, since shoes can be changed) allows us to become more inclusive. Yeah, I used that word, and I don’t think it’s a bad word at all.

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Well, the thread’s not supposed to be so much about male privilege itself, but male denial of such privilege, and male reluctance to acknowledge the specific experiences women have as a result . And I think many of you are doing just that!

For example, many women will tell you that we believe you when you say that your (overwhelmingly male) experiences in combat are terrible. We listen, we sympathize. We advocate for peace. I know there have been hawkish female leaders in the world, but on the whole, women don’t have a lot of political power (yet) and, in my experience women tend to be less eager to vote for candidates that are more apt to rush into to military decisions to solve problems. As to listening to veterans, lots of the professionals trying to help veterans with PTSD are women (therapists, doctors, nurses, social workers, occupational therapists). How many women tell male veterans to just get over it, or that if they had worn different clothes or equipment or done something different it wouldn’t have happened, or it’s not so bad?

On the other hand, Women who are victims of sexual assault are regularly treated with harshness, suspicion or disdain by male police officers, lawyers, attorneys, politicians, and when the facts are established, then asked to provide evidence as to whether they “fought back” enough, even though it’s known that “freezing” in shock as a survival mechanism is common in such situations. Young teenage women are branded as “Lolita’s” who drew older men to them. And, fact: most rape kits sit for years without being opened and analyzed for evidence, is it any wonder that most rapes (estimated about 80%) are not reported? What can MEN do, to educate other men to believe women? Because we women sure aren’t getting through! And generally, it is not women raping women, or women raping men (although women do perpetrate sexual assault in rare cases). Even though I assume men reading this or most men I have interactions with are not rapists, men as a collective would possibly have the better chance of insight of your own gender to figure out what keeps other men (police officers, the public in general) from believing women, or figuring out what turns men into rapists and what we can do as a society to prevent that? Because it sure seems that women have been trying to push this issue forward to be addressed without much success, largely on our own. Any solution that involves a restriction of women to move about their days and their lives with as much freedom as men is not acceptable but such restrictions seem to be the loudest voice to the table. I’ve worked with children who were sexually abused from toddlerhood, and now it seems that girls who have known no safety, who have already suffered unspeakable abuse in their own homes upon menses (can be nine years old) will also be forced to carry fetuses to term. Already are, in some states. I can understand religious scruples about abortion. But at what point is compassion for a cluster of insentient cells over the suffering of a very real child at the hands of a man some kind of warped situation. Akin to the people who who burn “witches” at the stake for their religion. Where are the men in this picture? Why are the “good guys” so reluctant to to be actively involved in changing how things are done? How many just say, I don’t harass women or rape women so, not my circus. But they don’t seem to mind turning a blind eye and voting into high office men who do. I’d say this is one example (among many) of male privilege denial.

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That’s pretty much the definition of male privilege. It’s all the many things that society or our circumstances have done to give us a leg up. I’m privileged because I’m white and because my parents passed on a fair amount of generational wealth. Less privileged because I’m a female working in a male dominated environment (architecture). It’s no biggie to admit that I’ve had a leg up in some respects. The question is why so many males can’t admit the same.

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The Merriam Dictionary disagrees with you. Given that privileges can apparently be earned, how would you change your analysis?