Many new facts/twists to Martin-Zimmerman case

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<p>At 2:10 of the audio recording, the vehicle door can be heard to open and at 2:14 it closes. By this time Martin has passed from near the clubhouse toward the area between the 13 and 28 buildings. Zimmerman begins to chase and you can hear the rustle of his clothing and his breathing at 2:19. The dispatcher ask if he is chasing Martin and Zimmerman acknowledges that he is. At 2:26 the dispatcher says:</p>

<pre><code>“OK, we don’t need you to do that.”
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<p>Zimmerman says “OK” and the rustling ends at 2:42.</p>

<p>At 2:38 Zimmerman says “He ran” and apparently lost sight of Martin. Martin apparently escaped.</p>

<p>Zimmerman remains on the phone with the dispatcher until at least 4:12. During that time he describes his location and directs the dispatcher to the location of his parked car.</p>

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<h1>39 Right. If he didn’t have a gun he could have used his taser for delusions of vigilantism.</h1>

<p>This same US Attorney just prosecuted a case (yesterday’s WaPo) that involved a woman getting 20 years for firing a gun in her house in a domestic dispute that hit NO ONE. The defense was not a simple defense, but it was still based on The Stand Your Ground Law, and she got a conviction.</p>

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<p>Would she have received a shorter sentence if she killed him?</p>

<p>Do you have a link to the story? I had a quick look around and didn’t find it.</p>

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<p>Google “Florida woman gets 20 years” and there are multiple stories. </p>

<p>[George</a> Zimmerman comparison? Woman gets 20 years for warning shot - latimes.com](<a href=“http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-florida-warning-shot-0120511,0,6754859.story]George”>New stand-your-ground case? Not for Florida woman given 20 years)</p>

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<p>BC:</p>

<p>[“Stand</a> your ground” double standard in Florida? – Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs](<a href=“http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/27/stand-your-ground-plea-rejected-in-florida/?hpt=ac_t5]"Stand”>http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/27/stand-your-ground-plea-rejected-in-florida/?hpt=ac_t5)</p>

<p><a href=“http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/11/11660804-marissa-alexander-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shot-after-stand-your-ground-defense-fails?lite[/url]”>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/11/11660804-marissa-alexander-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shot-after-stand-your-ground-defense-fails?lite&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Same prosecutor in Zimmerman case</p>

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<p>So what was Z doing between 2:38 - 4:12. Was that not enough time to walk back to his truck? He had to have the dispatcher have the police call and ask for his whereabouts when they got there. Why didn’t he just go back to his truck and wait for police. Then he could have responded - I’ll meet them at my truck.</p>

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<p>I’m surprised that she needed to use SYG as a defense. Corey seems to be a bit twisted in going after people. I’d agree that it’s not a good idea to fire a gun inside a building as a warning but it’s clear that she didn’t attempt to kill anyone.</p>

<p>I guess the juries down there are a lot different down in the South.</p>

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<p>The Corey case is murky, too.</p>

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<p>I assume that when I Googled the 911 call that I am getting an official transcript, but one never knows. Anyway, I thought this was interesting. George said he was going to meet the police at his truck, but because he didn’t know the address where his truck was parked he agreed to meet at the mailboxes. I wonder if while George was heading to the mailboxes (if he did) that Trayvon thought he was still being followed?</p>

<p>911 dispatcher:
Alright, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?</p>

<p>Zimmerman:
Yeah.</p>

<p>911 dispatcher:
Alright, where are you going to meet with them at?</p>

<p>Zimmerman:
Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3:10]</p>

<p>911 dispatcher:
Alright, what address are you parked in front of? [3:21]</p>

<p>Zimmerman:
Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through so I don’t know the address. [3:25]</p>

<p>911 dispatcher:
OK, do you live in the area?</p>

<p>Zimmerman:
Yeah, yeah, I live here.</p>

<p>911 dispatcher:
OK, what’s your apartment number?</p>

<p>Zimmerman:
It’s a home. It’s 1950 – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is [inaudible] [3:40]</p>

<p>911 dispatcher:
OK, do you just want to meet with them at the mailboxes then? [3:42]</p>

<p>Zimmerman:
Yeah, that’s fine. [3:43]</p>

<p>911 dispatcher:
Alright, George, I’ll let them know you’ll meet them at …</p>

<p>Zimmerman:
Could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at? [3:49]</p>

<p>911 dispatcher:
OK, that’s no problem.</p>

<p>Zimmerman:
My number … you’ve got it?</p>

<p>911 dispatcher:
Yeah, I’ve got it. 435-2400?</p>

<p>Zimmerman:
Yeah, you got it.</p>

<p>911 dispatcher:
OK, no problem. I’ll let them know to call you when they’re in the area. [4:02]</p>

<p>Zimmerman:
Thanks.</p>

<p>911 dispatcher:
You’re welcome.</p>

<p>Call ends 4:07</p>

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<p>“t’s possible to agree with this and still think that the vigilante may not be not guilty of a crime. The solution would be to ban (or regulate) vigilantes, not necessarily to punish individuals who haven’t violated a law.”</p>

<p>I agree, which is why you have a trial. And then, a civil case, which will be decided by the preponderance of evidence (not beyond reasonable doubt). The OJ result.</p>

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<p>I wonder whether the “Stand Your Ground” law provides a defense in a tort case as well. It wouldn’t surprise me.</p>

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<p>Just to be clear, Corey is the prosecutor in that case; not the defendant.</p>

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<p>In that case, both Corey cases are murky.</p>

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<p>[LINK:</a> Zimmerman discovery documents](<a href=“http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/link/561738/zimmermandiscoverydocuments]LINK:”>http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/link/561738/zimmermandiscoverydocuments) </p>

<p>link to the released docs.</p>

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<p>We have no idea whether Z stopped chasing Martin or not. His saying “OK” is not particular evidence of anything. Even if he did, we don’t know whether he stopped, then saw Martin again and took up the chase again. We don’t know any of that.</p>

<p>It will be interesting to see Zimmerman’s own statements once the trial starts. The Orlando Sentinel reported that one reason the police wanted to charge him is that his statements were inconsistent and he couldn’t keep his story straight. </p>

<p>It will be interesting, but I sure hope it doesn’t turn into a trial like that one with the missing little girl. If it gets to that point, I’ll probably tune it out.</p>

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<p>Actually we do have evidence. He got out of the car and started
chasing Martin and you could hear him running. It’s pretty clear from
from the audio at about 2:20 to 2:40. He was told “We don’t need you
to do that.” at 2:26 and you could hear him stop around 2:40. He
remained on the phone with 911 for another 1 minute and 31 seconds
having a conversation with the 911 operator. You can find the transcript
of the conversation at the link below.</p>

<p>Audio is at:</p>

<p>[The</a> Sanford Herald - Sanford police release 911 calls in Trayvon Martin shooting](<a href=“http://mysanfordherald.com/view/full_story/17920502/article-Sanford-police-release-911-calls-in-Trayvon-Martin-shooting?]The”>http://mysanfordherald.com/view/full_story/17920502/article-Sanford-police-release-911-calls-in-Trayvon-Martin-shooting?)</p>

<p>Transcript:</p>

<p>[Transcript</a> of George Zimmerman’s Call to the Police](<a href=“DocumentCloud”>DocumentCloud)</p>

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<p>Wouldn’t these be on the evidence disks already released? I guess I should
take a look around.</p>

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<p>Not familiar with that one.</p>

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<p>I asked my H this way back when this story broke, I haven’t googled the answer but figure you all will know. Why was this kid in a gated community…did he live there? If not, was he visiting someone?</p>

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<p>Mom - Trayvon’s father lived in the development.</p>

<p>BC - no you are making an assumption. Because you cannot hear him walking does not mean he stopped - you just cannot hear his actions.</p>

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<p>I just went through the evidence documents and they don’t include the information on the police interviews.</p>

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<p>Did you listen to the audio? I am not saying that he wasn’t walking. I am saying that he wasn’t chasing Martin. The thing is why so many people assumed that he was chasing Martin in the first place beyond where he stopped when the 911 operator asked him to. That’s an assumption that has no basis.</p>