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<p>One of the networks has the NCAA Director of Officiating on some. They asked him about a couple of different calls in the last set of games.</p>
<p>Marquette just beat Syracuse…</p>
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<p>I just saw that. <em>Sigh</em> </p>
<p>Love Marquette, but had Syracuse in all my brackets.</p>
<p>OK, ds just looked up that “rule” and found nothing.</p>
<p>I think it was quite clear that Tennessee didn’t bother showing up for the 2nd half. How many of these games have been won by 30 points! Michigan did fine, but this was certainly not their showcase game. A little sensitive??? (I despise Tennessee- but geez…)</p>
<p>very happy Marquette beat syracuse, both for the marquette fans and UNC. Being down to only 8 scholarship players, I think UNC might have fallen to Syracuse’s zone. </p>
<p>Don’t know much about Marquette. What’s the scouting report?</p>
<p>And that massive BET? A lot of the ACC teams don’t even try to win their tournament anymore, for that reason. Too exhausting.</p>
<p>I couldn’t find anything in the rule book about not calling TO after the ref gets to 4 on the inbounds play. However, I did find some conflicting information:</p>
<p>As tweeted by Seth Davis: SethDavisHoops</p>
<p>My earlier tweet was incorrect. A player can call a time out up until the ref counts to five. Rule changed several years ago. Apologies. 8 minutes ago</p>
<p>I didnt realize before tonight you cannot call a time out on an inbounds play after the ref gets to four. So ref was correct on 5 sec call. 39 minutes ago</p>
<p>So now it seems more confusing. Lots of discussion going on elsewhere on the 'net.</p>
<p>Ohio State looked unbeatable… they might not play that well again for the rest of the tournament. That was definitely their A game.</p>
<p>VCU is still alive, and has won 3 games because they had to play a play-in game.</p>
<p>MomofWildChild,So you “despise” Tennessee AND Kentucky. Do tell?
Congrats to the winners,Michigan VCU,etc. Glad to have seen VCU win.</p>
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<p>Did you watch that game? No question Tennessee quit, but they quit only after it was clear they were being soundly thrashed on the court. Michigan built a hard-fought 4-point halftime lead and came out on fire in the second half. Once the game was out of reach Tennessee put its tail between its legs. Shame on them, but they were soundly beaten. They did NOT beat themselves. And Michigan played an absolutely valiant game against the defending national champ in their next outing, losing on a missed last-second floater in the lane that goes in maybe 70-80% of the time. Their thrashing of Tennessee was no fluke.</p>
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<p>Well, I’ve never heard of such a “rule.” But to be clear, the rules do say that a player or coach signaling for a timeout is nothing more than a request for a timeout. The timeout doesn’t actually begin until a ref whistles the play dead. So it’s entirely possible that in an out-of-bounds situation, the player could signal for a timeout somewhere between 4 and 5 seconds and if there’s no whistle the time could expire under the 5-second rule. “Crooked”? I very much doubt it. Miscommunication? Possibly. But a player is taking a huge chance to take the in-bounds play to 4+ seconds before requesting a timeout, and IMO has no cause for complaint if the TO isn’t recognized. </p>
<p>ESPN’s slow-motion analysis shows the 5-second call against Texas was made 4.76 seconds after the ball was handed to the Texas player. A little short. But the ref counting off the 5 seconds has no stopwatch, he’s doing just a rough hand count, and 4.76 second is awfully close to 5. If there was in fact no whistle before that time, then you have to say it was the correct call within the margin of human error that you need to expect given the technology that’s used, and the fault lies with the Texas player for not signaling for a timeout sooner, closer to 4 seconds than to 5 because if you push 5 you’re risking a turnover.</p>
<p>Like I said up thread, I haven’t followed bball too much. Apparently Butler had a better season than I thought.</p>
<p>Anyhow, they are the only team of mine left.</p>
<p>Yes, sevmom. I despise dishonest sports programs. Always have. Kentucky ran a dishonest program back in the 70s when I was at IU. Hasn’t changed. Tennessee- well, I was a fan until the arrests of last year and the cheating revealed this year. It’s really a shame.</p>
<p>As for Michigan beating Tennessee. I don’t understand the outrage here. Most of these games are going down to final possessions or overtime. A 30 point blowout makes it pretty clear that TN folded/quit/whatever. So what? I don’t see where that detracts from Michigan to say that. I wish some of Vanderbilt’s opponents had done that!</p>
<p>Has anyone been following the swirl around the Fab Five documentary on ESPN? It’s been very interesting to read the reviews/commentary/discussion. I’m a huge fan of Grant Hill’s so I enjoyed his response in the NY Times.</p>
<p>^^^Yes, rom828. I also read Laettner’s pithy but humorous response. I am pleased to see my fellow Blue Devils conduct themselves with dignity and class.</p>
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<p>Quit crying. Apparently many more than just the one official believed it was a rule. “No love for the Big 12” again… here we go…</p>
<p>I told xiggi on the other thread that they’d only get to the second round!</p>
<p>I’m not a big fan of the “one and done” rule, that a player can go to college and play B-Ball for one year before entering the draft or, even worse, play right out of HS. (NBA recruiters must hate to not only have to scout colleges but now scout high schoolers more intently as well.) Players at Duke being together longer are one of the key ingredients to their success and, to a lesser degree, some of the lesser name schools. I’m wondering if this is contributing to some of the upsets?</p>
<p>I think Coach K recruits players that will be successful in the Duke classroom and will graduate - seems like an easier way to build a program vs recruiting starters every year.</p>
<p>I’m curious about these private schools that seem to be player factories. I can’t remember the name, but there’s one in Nevada, I think, where several players went. It can’t be coincidence that they all ended up there. A local private school got in trouble for recruiting football players from American Samoa. How do these basketball schools do it?</p>
<p>Do you mean prep schools, YDS? If so, in the East, Oak Hill comes to mind.</p>