<p>Martin Luther was excommunicated by the Catholic Church for a number of reasons some of which are preaching the Bible is the sole source of knowledge necessary for salvation and justification by faith alone and the selling of indulgences. Some think since he was excommunicated he lost his salvation. What do you think?</p>
<p>Who thinks that the excommunication independent of the sins that were committed meant a loss of salvation? Having some references would help.</p>
<p>Go back to the <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1018429-can-non-catholic-confess-sins-6.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1018429-can-non-catholic-confess-sins-6.html</a> thread Baelor. Posts #49 & #58.</p>
<p>Are opinions sins?</p>
<p>BalconyBoy, neither one of those posts claimed that the excommunication kept him from salvation (or could theoretically do so). One made no reference to excommunication at all, and simply responded to a post that happened to include the word excommunication. The other claimed that he was in a state of mortal sin, and that mortal sin happened to incur an excommunication.</p>
<p>I still have not seen any claim on the part of anyone that the excommunication itself was responsible for a potential loss of his salvation. Again, do you have any references, or is this just a statement that you are asserting is fact?</p>
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<p>If you don’t believe the Catholic Church’s actions carry any weight with God, then no–excommunication by the Catholic Church doesn’t affect his salvation.</p>
<p>I know that this was a major topic of discussion here back during the Thirty Years’ War, but why bring it up again now?</p>
<p>^Paper must be due…</p>
<p>Lead topics at CC during the TYW</p>
<ol>
<li><p>Stay in England for University, go to Italy, study at the Inns of Court, or just help manage the manors?</p></li>
<li><p>North Germany - A mom asks, how unsafe is it, with this Gustavus Adolphus fellow around</p></li>
<li><p>Best Catholic University that does NOT advocate burning Calvinists?</p></li>
<li><p>Wallenstein had a liberal arts education and became a great general. How do I persuade my parents I can do that too?</p></li>
<li><p>A theology degree, vs an apprenticeship to a craft guild - help needed</p></li>
<li><p>My dad was just excommunicated and his lands seized - am I eligible for Financial Aid?</p></li>
<li><p>son at Univ spending all his time looting and pillaging - how can he make up his grades?</p></li>
</ol>
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<p>In some cases, the Church would argue, “Yes.” Similar bases can be seen in any theology with a “necessity of faith” component.</p>
<p>Very funny, Brooklynborndad!</p>
<p>I guess if one lived in the English colonies, the choice of universities would have been limited to Harvard or Harvard (at least during the last dozen years of the war), but there were already quite a few universities operating in Mexico and Central and South America.</p>
<p>Brooklyn born Dad- don’t forget- My son is spending all his time playing with this new- fangled gadget called a printing press at his part time job. How can I get him to see there’s no future in it?</p>
<p>BBD, thank you. You made my day.</p>
<p>Last part of #58</p>
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<p>Seems this
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<p>Brooklynborn–Great job on the topics list!</p>
<p>Also: Are there any coed colleges in ancient Heidelburg?
What if my monastery roommate is a snorer or plays his mandolin too loudly?</p>
<p>BalconyBoy, the last part of 58 in no way suggests that Luther’s excommunication was responsible for his alleged lack of salvation. It states that he was excommunicated, and that he was (presumably) in a state of mortal sin for the rest of his life.</p>
<p>Either you are unable to read, or you are very ignorant about rudimentary Catholic theology on morality and sin.</p>
<p>So, yet again, do you have any actual references to people claiming that Luther’s excommunication was responsible for his lack of salvation, independent of his sins? You still have not presented any.</p>
<p>Baelor,
You claim Luther was in a state of mortal sin thereby not able to enjoy eternal salvation. I can read just fine.</p>
<p>oh man…Brooklyborn…JUST read that! lolololol…</p>
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<p>If that is the case, why did you then point to my post as “evidence” that some persons believe that Luther’s excommunication prevented him from eternal salvation?</p>
<p>Yes, I can’t get over how great that was. And how he thought it all up so quickly. One of the cleverest posts I’ve ever read on CC.</p>