Maybe I should have had seven kids.

<p>Then I may have learned enough to be a great parent- but I have two- & while they are both in their 20’s, I need some help ASAP.</p>

<p>Younger D struggling a great deal with school- non communicative & although I have great intentions- whatever I do seems to make it worse. I can " see , what other people are doing wrong" :rolleyes:, but I have little insight into my own behavior. I want to stop acting like a 7 yr old when trying to " deal " with her. ( She insists " everything is fine" and won’t talk to me- I lay down ultimatums to try and force a reaction :o )</p>

<p>Books- movies- sympathy?
I will take anything.</p>

<p>EK - from what I know about you on this board you are an open, engaging sort of person. You never come across as judgmental or superior. I think you are probably a great mother. I wonder - is younger D more reserved than you? My older D (who is actually my step-daughter) is really more like me and “gets” me. My younger D and I are very close, but she is FAR more reserved. I have learned I must wait until she wants to discuss things and I have to be sensitive when she wants to STOP discussing something. Things work much better when I say - I am happy to give you my input or I am ready to listen (and then really JUST listen & not fix). </p>

<p>Don’t know your situation exactly, but I would guess you are an enthusiastic fixer like me??</p>

<p>EK4- Sending sympathy and **{{hugs}}. **If you remain available to her, she will come to you when she needs you. I also have 2 Ds- 20 & 17. High Drama in our house. </p>

<p>Best of luck.</p>

<p>Re:7 kids- as the oldest of a large family, I can tell you what ever you learn after kid # 4, 5, 6 & 7 is more than offset by the complete lack of energy you have to deal with everything by then. You may be smarter, but you may also not survive to tell anyone about it.</p>

<p>Younger D has had a lot of stress & anxiety from when she was born. Her sensory stuff makes it hard to filter out things, not just physically but emotionally. She is very hard on herself- but I always say the wrong thing, at the wrong time.</p>

<p>She is probably a lot like me-but she is strong in areas, that I am not. ( it would have never occurred to me to explore on the other side of the world when I was 18- especially by myself- I can barely think about it now!).</p>

<p>I know I am all too ready with suggestions- but it is SO HARD, when she is failing her classes, not to ask- what she has tried, and not to want to make her follow certain things in order for us to keep funding her school.</p>

<p>But she is so touchy, that I have never been able to scold her. ( not that I never yelled :o ) Just looking at her when she did something as a child, would make her fall in hysterics- but because of her aspergry issues, it wasn’t something she had control over.</p>

<p>When I hear her say " it doesn’t matter", or " everything is fine", I go crazy.
I did find some resources from when her sister was on academic probation of what to put into place- I am going to make copies of it ( but white out the school- cause all I need is to wave her sister in front of her face) & ask her to look at it.</p>

<p>It is so hard not to fix things- especially since my H is opposite. He doesn’t see that the tire is wobbly, until it is rolling off down the street.</p>

<p>Maybe if I just vent here- I can keep my mouth shut when I go see her.
crossing fingers.</p>

<p>Don’t know if it will help you, but I sometimes had talks with my S. He is not “aspergry” nor did he have the additional challenges of having physical and emotional sensory challenges as you say, EK4. But I can tell you what helped me in similar (it’s all fine) scenarios. I came to him in a nice calm time, and told him I needed his help. I didn’t just say- let’s talk about your grades. This put him in a listening mood. I then told him I needed his help to understand how failing a class(to use Ek’s example) was fine. I had responses ready for a variety of responses he might give. The most common one was that he’d improve. I’d say “thats great!” and then ask to hear his plan, and asked how I could help make HIS plan happen for him. I tried to make the tone- <em>tell me your plan so I can help</em>, rather than <em>shape up, Mister!</em>. It often led to us making a plan. Anyway, it all started from there, good luck to you!</p>

<p>I think that it is important for kids to be aware of the resources available. My own anxious kid has had two people she knew well die (one in April of 2010 and one in November 2010). The reason I bring it up is because I always remind her that she knows where to go if she needs help. I know that I can talk to her and make her feel better, but there are times when she has recognized that she needed more help than I could offer. I never want her to think that problems are too big. </p>

<p>I wish you the best. I know how tough it is when all you want to do is help.</p>

<p>I am all for fixing, especially when it comes to academics. It’s what I do.</p>

<p>But, EK, it sounds like D doesn’t want any fixing right now. So the issue is what could you do instead. Is she safe? Is she going to hurt herself? Because if she is safe and not going to get hurt, maybe everything is actually fine in the sense that she is learning something (it might not seem like it, but as she flounders, she will). Yes, she is going to get some bad grades. Yes, this is a waste of money. But at least she might begin to recognize that saying “it is all fine” does not ACTUALLY make it all fine. </p>

<p>This is a big maturation step for a lot kids. It helps them realize that when they get a statement saying a bill is unpaid, it needs to be attended to, not just stuffed in a drawer. It means if your meds are running out, you have to call and deal with it NOW instead of delaying. It means if an application is due in next week, you need to start it now.</p>

<p>It sounds like this is a very painful time for you and your D (and others in the family too I imagine). But if someone like you keeps helping with this sort of stuff, how will she ever become someone who doesn’t wait until the wheel is rolling down the street next to the car to begin to think about tightening the lug bolts.</p>

<p>My sister told me recently, when she was talking me down from one of my fix-it rampages, that our kids do what they need at the time. They are constructing the situations that they need to protect themselves and then as they work this out it is what they need to grow.</p>

<p>So I totally sympathize as I feel we are wasting a huge amount of $$ right now for a “life lesson”, but I am seeing glimmers that some very painful learning is going on. It probably means a two year delay on what should have been a straight path. </p>

<p>But, if I had fixed this from the get-go (that’s what I wanted to do) it would just have kicked the problem down the road.</p>

<p>emerald, would your older daughter feel comfortable talking to her about it? I know my younger sister talks to me differently then to my mother. If her sister was on academic probation and turned things around then she herself is probably a good resource for your younger daughter. Just a suggestion.</p>

<p>I wish I could use my older D as a resource but I think that would make things worse- since they are so far apart, they grew up in different families practically.</p>

<p>The most I can hope for is that they remain in contact with each other- which they do, but neither one is going to take much advice from me!</p>

<p>You can, if she has never had one or hasn’t had one recently, pay for a neuropsych educational assessment. You can also pay for a counselor. As for us as parents, I guess all we can do is offer to talk about it with them (i.e. be a good listener). Beyond this, most of our communication really can be no more than saying things like, “I trust you to know what is best for you” or “You are so capable. I know you will figure out the best thing to do”. We have to give our kids the opportunity to screw up, and also the knowledge that we have faith in their strength (their ability to find their way out). Failing or screwing something up is often a big part of figuring out where we really belong. Sometimes, losing at something is a gift.</p>

<p>I have one kid who is an over sharer, she tells me waaay more than her sisters ever would, she has often given me her online passwords, etc. She is also a kid who likes to learn from others experiences, she does not want to make her own mistakes, she wants to avoid all mistakes. </p>

<p>Her sisters cringe at the level of familiarity we have and I have always had to tread carefully with them. One DD has wanted from day one to “do it all by myself,” there came a time when I was of some help to her, but I struggle to NOT overdo, over involve, etc. I am grateful for FB so I can see she is alive and well and yet not bug her.</p>

<p>It is a fine line you walk when trying to deal with someone who is so different in style from yourself.</p>

<p>I tried to always minimize any emotions from the interchange, sometimes even simply emailing reminders to avoid being annoying by my very existence. ;)</p>

<p>Since my son left for college in the fall, I’ve been trying to reposition our relationship from strictly parent-child to a quasi-adult to adult (he’s 19 1/2). Part of the reason I’ve been doing this is during HS he started becoming quite non-communicative and secretive and we started having a lot of conflicts right before he left for college. I realized then that this is not the kind of relationship I want with my son. I’ve learned that he is more willing to accept my input if I treat him more like an adult than a child. It has actually been working, he is now seeking my advice on things…once in a while. :)</p>

<p>My first ‘rule’ is to never immediately say, ‘no’ or otherwise pass judgment. (I should add that much of our communication takes place via text, which makes it easier to think about what how I’m going to respond instead of jumping right in with a reaction). Instead, I ask questions but not in a way that would make him defensive. The big thing with kids at this age is 1) they don’t want to feel controlled and 2) they don’t want to be judged.</p>

<p>Second (just like Somemom said): Don’t show a lot of emotions especially negative emotions. That makes them feel judged.</p>

<p>Third: I try to phrase my ‘suggestions’ as a list of advantages and disadvantages. For example, You might try: "Honey, it’s hard when you’re not doing well in a class. I guess feeling like you’re struggling makes it even more tempting to skip class or not do the work. Of course, the disadvantage to that is you get even further behind and could even end up having to withdraw from school. One thing you could try is to talk to the professor and see if he can suggest some ways you could get caught up. An advantage to doing that is the professor will see you are trying and they often will give you a bump up in grades based on effort…</p>

<p>Fourth: * Dont’t* expect any response or reaction from them. Just know that they have heard you and will hopefully internalize your suggestions. End it on a positive note: “I know you can figure this out and I am happy to help you in any way I can.”</p>

<p>Fifth: Try not to overreact to every thing they do. At this age, they really are adults (albeit still on our payroll). It’s okay for them to do things that are not dangerous but that you might not approve of. If you want a relationship with them past college, you have to let go of the expectation that they are going only do things with your approval (not saying, Emeraldkity4, you’re doing this…I just have a few friends who are doing this with their college-age kids and are pushing those kids further and further away with their expectations, criticism and control).</p>

<p>One thing I try to keep in mind when dealing with my son is although he can’t legally drink, he is old enough to join the military, have a job, his own apartment, get married, have kids, etc. In other words, he’s an adult (though an immature one at times) and deserves to be treated like one as much as possible. I try to think how I would respond to a friend or one of my siblings or a co-worker. In a (hopefully) non-judgmental but helpful way.</p>

<p>Lastly, parenting kids this age can be very difficult because the relationship is changing…don’t be too hard on yourself.</p>

<p>I don’t have 7. but I have 5, and I can tell you that much that I learned about dealing with kids from the older ones do not apply with my younger ones. They are whole different people. What makes it a bit easier is that I now care less, and do know the ropes around some things like college, schools and other more static stuff whereas dealing with the personalities themselves is like starting over each time.</p>

<p>MomLive brought up a good point. Once our kids are out of HS, it is no longer our job to direct their lives, to fix their problems. I had to teach myself specifically to NOT feel guilty if I could not fix something or worse, to not want to hear the issues because I could not make it better. Rather I realised my best role is to provide as many pros & cons as I could so that they can make an informed decision.</p>

<p>This, over time when I proved that I really was not secretly supporting one side or the other, allowed my kids to ask for help or input now & again.</p>

<p>Ek. Hugs…it doesn’t get easier as they get older at least in my book. DH and I always tell each other “this too shall pass”. I am fond of saying that our doormat should say “abandon hope all ye who enter here”.</p>

<p>oh lord- isn’t it bad enough I am premenstrual? ( It’s just like when I was a kid- I was the last one of my friends to get my period, now I am the last one still having one!)</p>

<p>[plus</a> it is a full moon in two days.](<a href=“http://www.nbc.com/30-rock/video/werewolf-bar-mitzvah/172301/]plus”>http://www.nbc.com/30-rock/video/werewolf-bar-mitzvah/172301/)</p>