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<p>If the general electorate sees it that way, it may cost McCain some votes. In my opinion, they don’t and it won’t.</p>
<p>In fact, there is an NYT article today noting that Florida Jews have some serious reservations about Obama. Good news for McCain, as long as they don’t get confused by the ballots this time.</p>
<p>“In fact, there is an NYT article today noting that Florida Jews have some serious reservations about Obama. Good news for McCain, as long as they don’t get confused by the ballots this time.”</p>
<p>What I read in the NYT today (the newspaper that endorsed NY’s senator) is that the Floridians express concern to friends, but secretly are planning to vote Obama. Voting is private. The article also states the majority of Florida Dems will NEVER vote McCain.</p>
<p>Those interviewed for the article emphasized that both Hillary and Obama are pro-Israel. Any hesitation to vote for Barack is related to swiftboating, leading people to believe he is anti-Israel. </p>
<p>The Washington Post has much more information about what is happening in Florida, including a two day old article about Hillary’s generally unknown radical days.</p>
<p>So here’s the link to the NYTimes article discussed in the above two posts:
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<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/us/politics/22jewish.html?em&ex=1211601600&en=[/url]”>www.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/us/politics/22jewish.html?em&ex=1211601600&en=</a></p>
<p>What I got from it: young Jews support Obama; Dershowitz says all 3 candidates support Israel appropriately; there’s lots of misinformation and “noise” about Obama that can be corrected with better biographical info about him; the very very oldest people interviewed still harbor fear of black people they knew decades ago up North, but today they are 80 years old and admit they have that prejudice.</p>
<p>The fact that Obama hasn’t yet been to campaign much in Florida accounts for a lot of the typical misinformation the rest of the country has already dismissed as distorted (he’s a Muslim, he’s tight with the Palestineans in So. Chicago…).</p>
<p>At present, many Jewish people in Florida are senior citizens and go with Hillary. Once that changes, however, I don’t think Floridians are wealthy enough to go to support McCain. And we’re no fans of the Iraq war, either. So my guess is that with time, the mostly geriatric Jewish community in Florida will shift from Hillary to Obama, and very few break ranks to vote Republican in November. JMO.</p>
<p>Obama doesn’t stand a chance in hell in Florida. He’d be better off to focus time/money elsewhere (oh, co, nv, nm)</p>
<p>He does stand a chance because those are voters who will pay attention, go to meetings, read things, and consider their choices. Jewish voters there are 5% and that’s the swing needed. He should try very hard to educate there. </p>
<p>Once they’re reassured about Obama’s ability to promote peace in Israel, then I think the Jewish deep allegiance to domestic social justice causes will have them identifying with Obama, not McCain. </p>
<p>Aside from nouveau wealthy middle-aged Jewish Republicans, it’s been a Democratic liberal vote since Franklin Delano Roosevelt. It goes deep. I know that there are more Jewish Republicans than 20 years ago, but they tend to be younger than the Florida crowd.</p>
<p>Also, people vote their pocketbooks. Who’ll protect Social Security better, who’ll pay attention to restructuring college loans for their grandchildren – that’s the guy they’ll vote in from Florida.</p>
<p>My mother in law is jewish, her entire family (sisters, cousins, nieces, etc) have never voted for a republican their entire life, but all of them (some who live in Florida, the rest in NJ) are all voting McCain if Obama gets the nom. Obama will definetely be hurt in Fl and NJ (polls are showing for the first time in decades a republican is in striking distance) Jewish people, at least the ones in our family cannot and will not accept a person who states they are willing to have talks with Ahlmindejad, of course Hamas saying we want him doesn’t help Obama either. It also hurts Obama that when he finally gts everyone to believe he is not a muslim, he attends a church for 20+ yrs, tithes over 22K in a year to a church that gave Farrakhan a lifetime achievement award…a man who vehemently speaks out against jews.</p>
<p>NYT may want to believe due to their left leaning bias that people are saying it to their friends, but still going to vote for him…truth be known FL has a large older jewish population that definetly votes compared to the youth, and they will not vote for someone with that baggage. Obama has a better chance with the younger jewish population. I wouldn’t want to place my hopes on the youth…can we all remember Paris going on Oprah saying we need to register and vote, she was ready to cast her ballot and then later it was acknowledged she not only didn’t vote, but never registered</p>
<p>5% of the vote is a very large block and most live in alligator alley, which is needed. McCain also will carry the western part of Fl due to all of the military bases. Remember they have Active and most retirees live around the area. Add in Tampa area for the same reason. The news state that he is also having problems with the Cubans because he is willing to talk to Raul Castro, so knock out another part of the voting block.</p>
<p>I assume p3t is referring to the General Election in November, as we all know The Democratic Party and all the candidates agreed to no primary in Florida. </p>
<p>Only Clinton has forgotten.</p>
<p>Yes, of course I meant November, in a McCain/Obama race.</p>
<p>“We all know” the Florida Republican party wrecked the primary dates for Dems in Florida, so I wasn’t even thinking about primary votes from Florida as I posted above.</p>
<p>LEAD STORY ON HP</p>
<p>McCain’s Pastor Problem: Rejects Hagee Endorsement After Nazi Comments</p>
<p>Now let’s see what he does with his other “chief spiritual advisor”.</p>
<p>I never said anything about Obama and Hamas except to say I did not say anything about Obama and Hamas.</p>
<p>Please take a look back up the thread. ;)</p>
<p>Excellent news, sunnymamere. You made my day. </p>
<p>Quoting from Huffington Post right now:</p>
<p>"McCain issued a statement after audio surfaced in which Hagee said God sent Adolf Hitler to help Jews reach the promised land.</p>
<p>McCain said in a statement: “Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them. I did not know of them before Reverend Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well.”</p>
<p>Why is it so hard to find out Hagee’s views? Who surfaced the audiotape? </p>
<p>If McCain had trouble finding that tape until now, should I depend on him to find Osama bin Laden in a cave somewhere…</p>
<p>These are things I wonder.</p>
<p>I completely understand what Hagee was saying. He wasn’t defending Hitler, he was trying to answer the question: “how could God allow something like this to happen”. It was simply a view which he backed up with a passage from the Bible. </p>
<p>What he is saying and what Rev Wright has said are just controversial opinions. I hold neither John McCain, nor Barack Obama accountable for anything these people say, and i don’t think it has any relevance to their ability to lead as president.</p>
<p>Okay the new polls have come out, Obama loses to McCain in OH, MI and FL, he loses to Obama in PA. Hillary however beats McCain in all of these states in a large margin.</p>
<p>p2n: Sorry about that mistake (saying you mentioned Hamas/Obama), my comment was meant for razorsharp.</p>
<p>So much for the ridiculous premise of this thread.</p>
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<p>[McCain</a> rejects Hagee endorsement - CNN.com](<a href=“McCain rejects minister's endorsement - CNN.com”>McCain rejects minister's endorsement - CNN.com)</p>
<p>So McCain is having the worst week ever and now has two Jeremiah Wrights to deal with:</p>
<p>1.) John Hagee
[url=<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWMmVIAtHAU]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWMmVIAtHAU]YouTube</a> - Hagee: God Will Unleash Terrorists on U.S. for Israel Policy<a href=“On%20Terrorism”>/url</a>
[url=<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EFVNrjOpJA]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EFVNrjOpJA]YouTube</a> - John Hagee: Hitler Was Part of God’s Wacky Scheme All Along<a href=“On%20the%20Holocaust”>/url</a>
[url=<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG2jemUx7Xo]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG2jemUx7Xo]YouTube</a> - Pastor Hagee compares Catholic church with Hitler<a href=“On%20Catholics%20and%20Jews”>/url</a></p>
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<li>Many, many others…</li>
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<p>2.) Rod Parsley
[url=<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZbIGJrDkg]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZbIGJrDkg]YouTube</a> - McCain’s Spiritual Guide<a href=“On%20Islam”>/url</a>
[url=<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tViqufbk7I8]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tViqufbk7I8]YouTube</a> - Rod Parsley: McCain’s Anti-Gay “Spiritual Guide”<a href=“On%20Homosexuals”>/url</a></p>
<p>Rod Parsley is probably going to be the more controversial of the two pastors, since McCain actively pursued the endorsement. He also called Parsley a “spiritual guide.” That said, the Hagee fiasco will wound McCain due to how blatantly political the acceptance of Hagee’s support was, and how McCain only denouced Hagee after Hagee’s Holocaust comments became public. (It seems as though what Hagee had to say about homosexuals, Catholics, and 9/11 were not offensive enough for him to denouce him earlier.)</p>
<p>^^^
There’s another pastor now…</p>
<p>Still doesn’t equate to twenty years not to mention endoctrinating his children. Democrats in the ohio valley region have spoken. It’s got to leave a bitter taste for Obama !!! His chicken $#!+ is coming home to roost!!!</p>
<p>*Ms. Grossman, 80, agreed with her friend’s conclusion, but not her reasoning. </p>
<p>“They’ll pick on the minister thing, they’ll pick on the wife, but the major issue is color,” she said, quietly fingering a coffee cup.*
<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/us/politics/22jewish.html?_r=1&em&ex=1211601600&en=&oref=slogin[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/us/politics/22jewish.html?_r=1&em&ex=1211601600&en=&oref=slogin</a></p>
<p>And this is the only real issue that matters to most - color. The lady is just too old to lie about it.</p>
<p>Vote John “100 years” McCain 2008, a leader America deserves.</p>