The people who got titers showing no antibodies are more likely the ones to talk about it in this thread. They probably got titers in the first place due to uncertain measles or vaccine history (e.g. may have gotten the 1963-1967 inactivated vaccine that was less effective). So there is a selection effect of (a) who got titers, and (b) who talked about their titer results.
The MMR vaccine costs about the same as a measles titer, and people who got vaccinated before 1989 got only one dose. So for most people in the group of uncertain measles and vaccination history can just get a dose of MMR vaccine at the same or less cost compared to getting a measles titer followed by possibly a dose of MMR vaccine.
Also, getting a dose of MMR vaccine boosts for mumps, whose immunity tends to fade faster than for measles or rubella, and rubella, which can be a concern if one may become or be in contact with those who are pregnant.
Oh absolutely. I was really responding to the person who wondered about all the non-immune people if immunity is supposed to last for life. For an individual who isnât sure just easier to get an MMR and not bother with the titer in most cases. But even those of us who were vaccinated in the 1960s likely got the live vaccine (which was also available in those years) - Iâve read only about a million kids got the inactivated one - but of course for most of us no way to know at this point.
The titer showed immunity to mumps, measles and rubella. Iâm pretty sure I had measles as a child but not the other two. Having discovered the hard way that I no longer had an immunity to whooping cough when I got it in the 1980s I am very happy for the peace of mind.
Correlations to demographic aspects are noted. Note that Republicans appear to be more favorable to MMR vaccines, in contrast to their opposition to COVID-19 vaccines.
Dying with laughter. It is so not funny but somehow it isâŠ
Just spoke with a kinda/sorta friend this morning who is on her âwouldnât it be great if we could go back 100 years before microplastics and endocrine disrupters were poisoning our kids, and before we were pumping mercury/vaccines into their tiny bodies?â
I just said âby my calculations, 100 years ago the world was recovering from the Spanish flu and people regularly died from an abscessed tooth because penicillin wasnât discovered yet- so no, I donât think we should go back to those good old days when most people my age were deadâ.
From 1979 to 2023, Mississippi did not allow any non-medical exemptions from childhood vaccinations for entry into schools (this is/was true in only a few states). In 2023, the state lost a lawsuit by an anti-vaccination group, requiring it to allow religious exemptions.
States that currently do not allow non-medical exemptions are CA (since 2015), CT (since 2021), ME (since 2019), NY (since 2019), WV (there is a bill this year to allow religious exemptions).
Despite this, NY had an outbreak a few years ago in one of its religious communities. The school rule did not apply to these families, who educated their kids by home schooling or in unlicensed private schools.
Both H and I got an MMR booster in 2015. I donât remember the exact impetus for us doing so. I think it had to do with some planned travel and a measles issue in that area.
In retrospect it looks like the booster was a good thing. Both H and I would be in the age group to have received the inactive original version of the vaccine.
When we moved to Florida, my kids couldnât start school until I went to the health department and had their vaccination records transferred to the state records (couldnât just use the records attached to their prior school). It was really a pain but they were strict (gave me a hard time about my kidsâ records).
Florida isnât dark blue on that map. I still say Mississippi did a good job.
Yes, Mississippi did a good job because it had a law for many decades allowing only medical exemptions from vaccination requirements for entering schools (other states allowing only medical exemptions were much more recent in that). However, the lawsuit result requiring them to allow religious exemptions may result in lower vaccination rates in the future.
But is Florida heavily populated by religions that donât believe in vaccinations? (Jehovahâs witnesses? Amish? Hasidic Jews?) I donât think religious exemption accounts for the big different between FL and MS rates.
I wasnât offered any ways to opt out. Told if my kids werenât vaccinated, they couldnât go to school (this was in 2012). I wasnât looking for an out (they were vaccinated), but it sure would have been nice to just sign a waiver and not have to spend 4 hours getting to and from the health dept when we were moving in the middle of the school year and I just wanted to get them into school as fast as I could. Also had to show the documentation when daughter went to college in Florida (2014) and again a nurse wanted to argue about her chickenpox shots and the dates given, and chickenpox wasnât even a required shot. Florida made it difficult IMO.
In California we lived 2 blocks from the Sears Pediatric office so lots of unvaccinated kids in our neighborhood.
My kids went to a waldorf-style âforestâ preschool (very outdoorsy) and probably the majority of kids were not vaccinated. It was very easy to just sign the back of the vaccine form for an exemption, so we knew lots of parents who did that. That was before personal exemptions were eliminated here in CA.
I donât know how many but someone I knew died of Covid in Florida because his evangelical church told its members the vaccine was anti-Christ. From the comments on his Facebook obituary*, the church had lost quite a few members the same way, and there seemed to be a number of churches like this.
*one person posted that they had lost too many people and maybe they should get vaccinated, and she got totally attacked by a number of others for saying that.
Pre covid, I saw a list of school vaccination rates in CA and I think it was a Waldorf school in Marin that had the lowest out of all of them. I believe this changed after Covid (and the change in law). I think across the country, kids that are not in public schools (whether expensive privates like these or home schooled) are definitely a gap in this system. My understanding is that a lot of home schoolers are for religious reasons (I know, not all of them) and there seems to be a critical mass of vaccine sceptics among this subset.
It does not convince them. They are too far gone into the woo. They will say it was due to poor nutrition, or not enough fresh air, or any other excuse.
