Measuring progress in Iraq

<p>Or lack thereof. From that liberal bastion the Brookings Institute: <a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118429013509165496.html?mod=googlenews_wsj[/url]”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118429013509165496.html?mod=googlenews_wsj&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Sounds pretty bleak.</p>

<p>I think there should be benchmarks for the U.S. government, not the Iraqi government. They have their own democratically elected sovereign government, and should not have outsiders dictating to them. U.S. benchmarks should include: since we spent a small fortune on the war and the aggressive, hostile occupation, what percentage of these have been paid back from Iraqi oil revenue? We have spent billions on “reconstruction”. To what degree does this show up in improved electrical generation and delivery, clean water availability, better roads? We have spent billions on education. What percentage of students are graduating with a high school diploma? A college degree? How many new doctors, lawyers, engineers, and teachers have been added to the workforce as a result of this investment? We’ve spent billions on development of “civil society”? How many new independent newspapers, book publishers, and non-governmental radio and tv stations have been started?</p>

<p>mini–good questions all. My impression from various things I have read is the answers are: zip, not much, very few, zero, and nada. </p>

<p>We are trying to “rebuild” a country while it is still at war–civil war at that. Most of the time we can’t even ID the enemy who is destroying things even as we build.</p>

<p>Those private contractors like the “rebuilding”. They are making out quite well, thank you.</p>

<p>There was no civil war in Iraq until after the hostile, aggressive occupation commenced, and was much the creation of the occupiers and Paul Bremer’s plan to divide up the provisional administration along religious/ethnic lines.</p>

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<p>Remember how the “surge” was supposed to make the Iraqi army and police capable of keeping peace on their own? And how critics of the surge said all it would do (besides increase casualties) is make the army and policy MORE dependent on us, rather than less?</p>

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<p>To me, this is even more damning than the increased violence. As predicted, the surge has actually reduced the capability of the Iraqi Army. </p>

<p>Yet another neocon prediction turned to dust as the “windbags of war” (people with actual combat experience) were vindicated. If only results mattered instead of partisanship on the level where the decisions are made, how much different the world would be.</p>

<p>“Remember how the “surge” was supposed to make the Iraqi army and police capable of keeping peace on their own?”</p>

<p>Be fair - that was the “pre-surge” strategy. But Maliki said today (I just say him on TV) that the U.S. can leave TODAY and the Iraqi military and police can handle the situation.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3556[/url]”>http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3556&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I didn’t realise that the Bush administration gave $43 million dollars to the Taliban in Afghanistan just months before 9-11, even though bin Ladin was known to be operating there, and despite the Taliban’s brutality towards women and minorities. </p>

<p>The reason for the payment–the Taliban forbid the growing of poppies for opium. As it turns out, the reason was to increase the value of the regime’s own stockpile, and opium shipments from Afghanistan actually increased after the ban.</p>

<p>Considering the size of the Afghanistan economy, it had the same impact as giving $215 billion to a country with a GDP the size of ours. A huge, huge reward for enemies of freedom.</p>

<p>I read Mini’s post#7 yesterday and found the newspaper article buried on page 12 this morning. - was this dicussed by the politicos today? The Shiite lawmaker Hassan al-Suneid goes even further.
We should have never been there and now the fallacy of “we will leave when the want us to leave” crumbles.</p>

<p>The Iraqi government is not stupid. They know that every day that the hostile, aggressive occupation continues, Al-Qaeda grows stronger, with George Bush acting as a giant recruiting poster. Things might get worse if the occupier leaves, they also might get substantially better, as the many elements that make up the Iraqi government and society will have to figure out how to work together. </p>

<p>Regardless, I think massive war reparations are in order, not administered by the U.S. government or corporations, and at least 500,000 entry visas for Iraqi refugees.</p>

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<p>That won’t happen…we’d be too worried that we’d let in terrorists, like the ones who were arrested in connection with aborted bombing in Britain recently.</p>

<p>Of course it won’t happen. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t. (None of those arrested in connection with the aborting bombings in Britain were Iraqi “refugees”.)</p>

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<p>Absolutely true, mini. Thanks for the clarification.</p>