# Medical schools that post on website where undergraduates went?

Can you guys tell me medical schools that post this on their website? I wanna calculate which undergraduate school has the most kids sent to medical schools considering undergrad. population, and end the debate on if prestige matters.

Are you going to align your information with MCAT scores and GPA? Then are you going to look at incoming students for each school to see what their national test scores and GPAs were too in order to compare apples to apples?

Here’s Rochester’s:

https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/MediaLibraries/URMCMedia/education/md/documents/2019-profile.pdf

If you change the year in the address you get other years. You’ll notice the script remains pretty similar.

WUSTL used to put one out too, but again, I haven’t looked in years.

Ok, it didn’t take long… I looked theirs up:

I’m not sure who else has one. Google could be your friend, but again, consider incoming stats of students before just assuming outgoing stats are your total story.

@plopsun - Your logic is flawed. You have to consider the number that actually apply as well as their individual stats.

All colleges have successful placement of medical school applicants. Prestige does nothing to med school, high GPA and Mcat matters.

Getting into medical school is more about what the student does than where he/she goes. Going to a prestigious school isn’t going to “send” you to med school if you don’t have a high enough GPA & MCAT score, EC, shadowing, clinical experience, etc.

“I wanna calculate which undergraduate school has the most kids sent to medical schools…”

This much seems reasonable if you are interested in finding a good undergraduate school for premed.

“…and end the debate on if prestige matters.”

Good luck with this part. Statistics can be very difficult to analyze in an accurate way, and mis-representation or imprecise interpretation of statistical data is very possible.

As one example: There are some very good students who go to Harvard for undergrad, and there are some very good students who go to UMass Amherst for undergrad. However, on average, the GPA and SAT scores for students who are accepted to Harvard for undergrad are higher than those who are accepted to UMass. If you expect some correlation between high school GPA and SAT scores versus college GPA and MCAT scores, then you might expect that if you considered all premed students who are accepted to Harvard a larger percentage would later get into medical school compared to all premed students who are accepted to UMass. However, this would almost surely be true even if you don’t consider where the student actually attends university (assuming that you could even find the right information to make this comparison).

However, consider a student who is just barely able to get accepted to Harvard, but who also get accepted to the Honors college at UMass. If that student goes to Harvard they might be in the bottom 1/2 of their class. If the same student goes to UMass and works hard (and understands that UMass will be a challenge, because premed there will be), then that student might be in the top 10% of their class. Which way is the student more likely to get into medical school? That is a question that makes sense for that particular student to ask as they are deciding which school to attend.

Although not of zero importance, prestige is not at the top of the list. First of all, why Is someone at a “prestigious” school?” Assuming no hook, it’s about their high school performance. Med schools are not just going to pick up a folder and see “Harvard’ and say, oh no bother to read what’s in the folder, obviously the applicant did well in hs and that’s enough. Sure there’s logic in saying the applicant is a bright kid because they got into say Harvard, but there are Harvard kids that graduate with 2.0 GPAs. Adcoms are going to focus on the college years starting first with GPAs, MCAT, ECs, LoRs, PS, fit with school’s mission. Maybe the name of where the applicant went to college comes into the conversation at some point. But in the end it’s simply impossible to debate what weight, if any, adcoms give to an applicant’s college attended as schools don’t publish this info.

If you want to jump ahead on the time line, look at what happens after med school, ie residency. In order to get into a residency, there are two parts, one getting an interview; two getting ranked high by a program director (PD). Look at the 2016 NRMP Survey of PDs figure 1 and 2. Figure 1 lists factors PDs consider important in offering an interview. Figure 2 lists factors PDs consider important in ranking. To translate what’s important in getting an interview is performance in med school, where you went to med school is not as important (Figure 1). What’s important in getting ranked high is again performance in med school along with ability to communicate/get along with current residents, where you went to med school is not as important (Figure 2). IMO the residency PDs are not that much different from med school adcoms on factors that carry more weight in application process.
http://www.nrmp.org/main-residency-match-data/

Bottom line is getting into med school is much more a function of how a student does in college, where they attend, not so much.

Hi @plopsun dunno if you’re still on this, but I found a number of schools that post info:

some more general;

pretty general and/or incomplete:

I found a few more and can search my history if you are really interested.

It will be pretty hard to extrapolate hard numbers from what I’ve seen as everyone reports with a variety of specificity.

I was interested in the idea that “reputation/prestige of undergrad doesn’t matter” too, and certainly the quick look I took at lists for maybe 6 - 10 incoming classes show a very wide range of UG schools, so it’s hard to generalize.

Certainly, students nailing high-end MCATs are getting in from all over (just look at the MCAT acceptance curves/stats - if you crush the MCATs, you’ve got an exceptionally strong chance) the real debate is probably at the fat middle. If you’re 50 percentile for accepted students with the MCAT. You both have 3.7, is being Cornell better than Connecticut College? That I have no idea and doubt you’ll find enough info to ever know.

Would be interesting to see a rough breakdown. The number applying from any given school can fairly easily be guessed/fudged by overall enrollment and any % of Bio students available. It would be close enough for Jazz.

For me what I was looking for is if there were interesting LACs that did particularly well, as one of my kids thinks they are interested in Med career and is a really strong “people person” who would probably thrive more academically at an LAC or smaller research U for UG. In my casual searches, a few pop out, but mostly the ones you see mentioned: Colorado College, Connecticut College, Holy Cross, Dartmouth, etc. etc. etc (there are tons more, don’t flame me for not mentioning yours - just mean the “usual suspect” for LAC/smaller Research seem to generally be accurate.)

Lol at the idea that that would end the debate of prestige. Until we start randomly assigning kids to undergrad institutions and the ones who were ranked at the top prior to this still end up sending all the kids to med school we’ll never end the prestige debate.