@Bay It’s a start! I hope that viewers everywhere looked at the people on the stage as the accomplished, talented leaders that they are.
It rankled me that on at least two occasions during the debate I heard someone refer to “the guys” on this stage. Aside from being disrespectful, it was just plain erroneous.
Actually, guy is undergoing a change in English—it’s well underway, in fact, though (as your reaction demonstrates) not yet complete—in which it’s shifting from being marked as masculine to being unspecified for gender. For those of us (yes, I’m one of them) with gender-neutral guy, it’s unremarkable and did, in fact, include Carly Fiorina.
Ummmmm… =))
Why do I think Trump has some more work to do before he lands @Consolation vote?! :-/
OK @Consolation, I’ll bite. Which of the 11 is not accomplished and not talented?
Because this is CC, it perhaps is worth noting that the 11 debaters attended 12 different institutions for their undergraduate work: Baylor, Stanford, UT Austin, U of Florida, Princeton, Yale, U of Delaware, The Ohio State University, Marquette (DNF), Ouachita Baptist U, and Fordham/trans to Wharton.
Prob best if the thread doesn’t go down this road unless we’re done with it…
The higher-ed exploits of last night’s debaters:
Cruz: Princeton undergrad, Harvard JD
Fiorina: Stanford undergrad, U of Maryland MBA, MIT MS
Carson: Yale undergrad, U of Michigan MD
Trump: Penn (Wharton) undergrad
Rubio: U of Florida undergrad, U of Miami JD
Christie: U of Delaware undergrad, Seton Hall JD
Huckabee: Ouachita Baptist undergrad, SW Baptist Theological Seminary (grad school - did not finish)
Paul: Baylor undergrad (did not finish), Duke MD
Bush: UT-Austin undergrad
Kasich: Ohio State undergrad
Walker: Marquette undergrad (did not finish) --> should have gone to UW… 
While staying totally away from the political aspects of post #226, I would like to point out that someone who “did not finish” undergrad and had no more university education afterwards is different educationally from someone who “did not finish” undergrad, but has an MD from Duke. These days, in a number of six-year BS/MD programs, the student starts the MD work before completing the undergrad degree, and then is awarded the undergrad degree at some point in the MD program. That practice may have arisen to deal with situations like that in #226.
In previous generations, it was also possible to attend and complete professional school without a bachelor’s degree. For example, the elder Governor Brown (father of the current one) of California earned a law degree earned at night, but did not attend an undergraduate college.
@MidwestDad3, I shouldn’t have made that rather mischievous post in the first place, much less elaborate upon it.
I apologize, and will refrain from saying anything further on the subject. ^:)^
QM, no one says that a 6 year med “didn’t finish undergrad.” Of course they did. They just finished it in 2 years, that’s all.
Was Rand Paul in a 6 year med program? Doesn’t look like it. I do agree that pointing out that he didn’t finish is silly.
Just watched the new South Park episode, reference earlier in this thread. It’s hilarious.
Several decades ago, a colleague of mine mentioned that he went to Oberlin as a college student. I really did not know much about colleges (esp. LACs) back then. I asked him whether that college has many “conservative” students. He explained to me how liberal his alma mater is, for the next 10 minutes.
He is definitely very liberal and seems to be very proud of being a liberal. He once said whether a person becomes a liberal or a conservative is mostly decided by how smart that person is: the smart one becomes a liberal and the dumb one becomes a conservative. Wow!
BTW, he was not from the young generation. When he said this, he was over 60 yo. (His terminal degree was from Stanford – he might wish Stanford could be as liberal as Cal in his days, LOL.)
In my working environment, those who had received “too much” (especially the “wrong” kind of education) could be the target or victim of micro aggression or even bullied. Less educated but more hands-on coworkers could label him as being “academic”. which implies that he is “impractical”, “having spent too many years in the academic environment so that he is out-of-touch with what the industry needs.”
In the IT/computer management field (which I am not in), I actually knew in the long past that a PhD went such an extreme that he does not mention his PhD degree on his résumé. Whether this is “honest” or not is totally a different question. The right amount and types of education is more important. “Over education” could count against you because some may label you as “over-qualified.”
Back in the dark ages, not all med schools required a B.S./B.A. for admission.
The thing is, the backhanded compliment is quite effective at providing cover for the one making it precisely because if done right, it’s very hard for those who don’t know the “complimenter” well or otherwise read his/her mind to know whether it was done with intent, naivete, or even meant in a negative “backhanded” manner.
Would it be political to point out that Dr. Doom and Lex Luthor were also highly accomplished and talented?
@mcat2, it is very common for those on the left and right wings to accuse each other of being “stupid.”
I very rarely comment without reading the whole thread. Please explain the difference betweern microaggresion and bullying.
“Your hair is so cool! May I touch it?” Microaggression.
“What’s wrong with you hair? It looks weird.” Bullying.
According to some.
There is an ad I’ve seen online, referring to the “Inventing While Muslim” scenario, in which Muslim girls, wearing hijab, discuss the Ahmed situation, say similar things have happened to them, and urge the viewer not to be prejudiced. As part of that, one girl says “Ask me about what I wear” (referring to the hijab).
So you really can’t win. While I’d certainly never go touching someone’s hair uninvited, it strikes me that some people would see an inquiry about their hair / how they wear it / etc. as taking an interest in their culture and would welcome the chance to share and explain, and others would see it as a microaggression (“my hair isn’t for you to comment on!”). It’s just that the latter group has decreed their interpretation to be correct, all the time, for everybody.
Ditto, of course, asking someone where they are from, or commenting (favorably and pleasantly) on an unusual name, etc.