<p>In an effort to be educative but not punitive</p>
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<p>In an effort to be educative but not punitive</p>
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<p><a href=“http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/01/26/wiki[/url]”>http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/01/26/wiki</a></p>
<p>My child’s high school (Lawrenceville) did this a year ago.</p>
<p>nm, kudos to Lawrenceville. I have to admit that I am surprised that such a policy is needed at a place like Middlebury. Sign of the times, I suppose. Most of the teachers at my kids’ high school frown on the use of wiki as a source but for now there is no policy statement or concerted stand against it and, from what I hear, students do use it and often - I would hope though that by the 11th grade most students should manage to cultivate a finer sense of the academic issues at stake and even strive to find credible web-based primary source material, as well as secondary sources, for their research projects.</p>
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<p><a href=“http://media.www.middleburycampus.com/media/storage/paper446/news/2007/01/24/News/Wikipedia.Distresses.History.Department-2670081-page2.shtml?sourcedomain=www.middleburycampus.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com[/url]”>http://media.www.middleburycampus.com/media/storage/paper446/news/2007/01/24/News/Wikipedia.Distresses.History.Department-2670081-page2.shtml?sourcedomain=www.middleburycampus.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com</a></p>
<p>What kind of an idiot would actually cite Wikipedia?</p>
<p>I mean, of course the kids get information from Wikipedia (and so do I), but who would be honest enough to admit it?</p>
<p>asteriskea, I am just as surpsied as you that such a policy is needed at Middlebury ($40,000/year). My community college students know not to cite Wikipedia.</p>
<p>Kids on these boards cite Wikipedia all the time, for things that they could easily have found (authoritatively) on colleges’ own websites! “If it’s in print and on the Web it must be true.”</p>
<p>I’m kinda surprised by this, too. I team teach the course that teaches research paper writing at a college that is a long, long way down the food chain from Middlebury.</p>
<p>We’ve never allowed any encyclopedias as sources, never mind Wikipedia. This seems weird that a place like Middlebury would need to take a “stand” like that.</p>
<p>When I taught a research writing class at a community college a couple years ago, my students didn’t think twice about citing Wikipedia or other online sources, even though the library did a presentation on sources for them (some of them didn’t think twice about plagiarism either, but that’s a different issue). My daughter’s school has not addressed this issue as far as I know. </p>
<p>I work in a newsroom and we check Wikipedia on occasion, although we’ve never used it as a source in a story.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity – how accurate do people find Wikipedia to be?</p>
<p>Wikipedia poses some significant issues – it’s not as easy as saying “What kind of idiot would actually cite Wikipedia?” The main problem with Wikipedia is that it’s dynamic – what it says today may not be what it says tomorrow – and that the quality of the articles and their editing varies considerably. So Wikipedia is always something of a suspect source, and any citation should be very specific as to the date (since Wikipedia edits are recoverable, I believe).</p>
<p>On the other hand, especially in scholarly areas where the major topics are effectively written and maintained by very sophisticated people, I find Wikipedia to be extremely helpful and valuable as a tool. One always has to take it with a grain of salt, and to pay close attention to indications that this or that paragraph may be someone’s private axe to grind. But lots of the articles are self-proving: comprehensive, well-supported, judicious. Others can be self-impeaching in equal measure.</p>
<p>Frankly, I would look down on an institution that had a “no Wikipedia” rule. That seems unscholarly and hamfisted to me. In this century, information is going to be found increasingly in this kind of format. I think it’s important that students and scholars understand its strengths and its limitations, and come up with citation conventions (and conventions about use) that reflect its strengths and guard against its limitations.</p>
<p>I’m sort of surprised that Middlebury felt it needed a policy, but then again I’m not so surprised in light of other instances of people who should know better citing Wikipedia. Recently, an attorney for the U.S. government cited Wikipedia as authority in a brief filed in federal court. </p>
<p>It takes very little effort to see how inaccurate information can be inserted into a Wikipedia entry. Sometimes it’s done as a joke, sometimes out of error, sometimes out of deliberate attempt to mislead.</p>
<p>I got suckered as I posted a graph illustrating wikpedia. I am a parent. But if information is wrong, why they do not delete misinformation from spreading. The graph I quoted posted, it looks like a blatant lie and does not make sense at all. people who own wikpedia can not delete such a misinformation.</p>
<p>I admit I am wrong to jump and post such as stupid graph</p>
<p>I agree with JHS.</p>
<p>Printed sources are not necessarily much more authoritative or error-free than wikipedia entries. But they do not change from day to day. However, I have found lots of scholarly articles posted on wikipedia to be far more up-to-date than some of the print sources (or, to be more accurate, out-of-print sources, since many works are unlikely to be re-published). The drive of publishers to publish only “marketable” works has made the search for reliable sources incorporating newer research more frustrating than ever. Wikipedia can fill a very large hole. But it should be used wit caution.</p>
<p>I disagree. New up to date scholarship is available every month in edited, peer-reviewed journals. Even if everything in Wikipedia were accurate, which it is not, it is still a general encyclopedia, which has always been considered in any academic venue i’ve been part of to be a very weak source for an academic paper. Any Wiki article containing worthwhile info cites sources; I would tell the student to go to the source itself, as I would myself.</p>
<p>I certainly consult Wikipedia, but I usually just read it to give me an idea of where to look for information or just to give a very general idea of a topic. I am not comfortable relying on it without some indication of its accuracy, and in a case in which I need to cite something, I look for a link to a more accepted source. Usually if a scholarly sort has authored a Wikipedia article, that same author has published work in a journal or some other publication that is more officially acceptable. </p>
<p>I also think its reliability varies a lot depending on the topic. If one looks up various political figures in it, one can find a great deal of information, but one wouldn’t know if the figure’s supporters or detractors had added the information. If one is looking up something about plants, there may be less risk of a deliberate attempt to adjust the facts. Yes, I know you can find out who edited entries, but it’s not always easy for the average person to determine who the editor really is.</p>
<p>I think Wikipedia is a great concept, but I agree with those who said it needs to be used with caution. I should add that in every history course I can recall, we were not allowed to cite ANY encyclopaedia, not Brittanica or anything fairly standard.</p>
<p>There was a fascinating article in The New Yorker last summer about Wikipedia, how it works, and the problems of scholarship (and other issues) it poses -
<a href=“http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060731fa_fact[/url]”>Know It All | The New Yorker;
<p>My kids’ ELEMENTARY school does not allow Wikipedia cites, and limits internet and general encyclopedia cites to force them to go to more original sources. They are permitted and encouraged to start their research at those places but then to take that extra step to go beyond a digest. I can’t believe that a college needs to make this rule. There are circumstances when a quote or cite is appropriate to show the conventional wisdom or opinion of an issue, but it should not be used as primary source a research paper.</p>
<p>Garland:</p>
<p>Have you tried finding up-to-date research on, say, Amaravati? Up-to-date scholarly research in science gets published (online, nowadays), but not about fairly obscure topics. the Encyclopedia Britannica has been found not to be any more authoritative than Wikipedia, in some instances.</p>
<p>I agree that wikipedia ought to be a first port of call, not the last. But sometimes, the first and last seem to be the same.</p>
<p>My biggest concern about wikipedia is the unsigned and often unsourced nature of the statements, as well as their lack of stability. But in some cases, in particular in more esoteric areas, I have found the research to be pretty complete and far more up-to-date than what is available in print.</p>
<p>Wikipedia would never be allowed as a source at d’s h.s. I think the fact that Middlebury is just now banning it as a reference source makes them look foolish. I’m going to ask at s’s grammar school if Wikipedia is allowed as a reputable source. I suspect that it is not.</p>
<p>I think Wikipedia is a fun site & can point to legitimate sources. But recognizing its lack of credibility is really a no-brainer.</p>
<p>Marite–History is not a new major; students taking classes in it have been able to find appropriate information for hundreds of years without last week’s newest thought being necessary. History, literauture, and every other major subject abound with journals which can be used as reliable sources.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which already makes it inappropriate as an academic source. If I have passing interest in something, i would not hesitate to check out the Wiki article with all due grains of salt, but I would embarrass myself if i included it in a scholarly work, and I expect my students to follow the same basic standards.</p>
<p>I have to agree wholeheartedly with Garland on this one - wiki is an encyclopedia and as such students ought to be taught, as early as possible, not to rely on it and above all not to think of it as a sole or principle academic source. Certainly, some wikipedia entries are excellent and well-researched and can be used to great advantage as a starting point for further study, or to find other sources, nonetheless, any entry is, by definition, a second or even third hand source - not the stuff that any historian worth his/her salt would use to make or support an argument.</p>