Middlebury College: A Stand Against Wikipedia

<p>Since wikipedia is fluid, dynamic and, of course, not peer reviewed, this does mean that quite often the article I might cite for my paper today may not be the same article that you read yesterday or may read tomorrow or next week. So, this poses another academic hoop - how does one correctly use it as an authoritative first line source - is it necessary to cite the wikimedia recent changes page as well?</p>

<p><a href=“http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges[/url]”>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Here is everything you need to know about Middlebury:</p>

<p><a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middlebury_College[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middlebury_College&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I used to be very skeptical of Wikiwiki, but then someone told a story about intentionally posting false info several times and it was corrected within hours. I still think it is a lazy man’s (or women’s) source and shouldn’t be allowed as a reference by students. Use it, then find the same info elsewhere.</p>

<p>asteriskea:</p>

<p>The fluid, dynamic nature of wikipedia entries is one source of concern, as I stated in my earliest posts. It is not, however, limited to wikipedia. There has been an explosion of academic journals that are published online only. I know that concern has been expressed about the authors’ frequent revisions of their articles (sometimes in response to online critiques), so that citing them is problematic. I don’t have an answer to that. Still, there is something attractive about authors who are willing and able to correct their mistakes right away rather than let them stand. I’ve known book reviewers who devoted their entire reviews to pointing out mistakes in books, some quite trivial, to the exclusion of anything else.</p>

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<p>I agree. If the problem of lazy, superficial research is widespread, there are problems on many levels: admissions, campus culture, quality of teaching, etc.</p>

<p>For example, it is possible to ask essay questions that cannot be answered from Wikipedia.</p>

<p>Interesteddad:</p>

<p>Essay questions, yes. But research papers? This is where students head for wikipedia.</p>

<p>i really am shocked that middlebury had to go ahead and say “you can’t use wikipedia as a cited source.” I havn’t been able to cite an encyclopedia since 9th grade…and for what its worth why would you want to? If you’re writing a 10 page paper, how much info can you really get from an encyclopedia - with that in mind, don’t professors usually stipulate you need at least X sources? They do at UVa. And on that note, most professors don’t allow you to use the internet period for sources.</p>

<p>however, i will say, wikipedia is a great way to study for history tests and the like without having to hunt through books and indexes and glossaries for definitions. the fact is, it is accurate on “real” articles (not the Lindsay Lohan, Xbox 360, Kevin Fedderline type articles). Sometimes common sense has to tell you that people arn’t just sitting around waiting to vandalize the articles “Lucius Sulla” or “Geryeo Dynasty”</p>

<p>And I am suggesting that, measuring the tradeoffs between old, outdated, poorly footnoted, or just manufactured research (i.e. the New York Times and Judith Miller), and the possibility of fluid, dynamic source material on Wikipedia, students often might be signficantly better served using the latter.</p>

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<p>The only solution I know for that is to include the date the website was visited or the online article was viewed. Basically the same as giving the publishing date, only it’s more of an ongoing process.</p>

<p>nceph:</p>

<p>Agreed. The downside is that the text is constantly shifting, so that discussants find themselves discussing quite different texts sometimes. But that can also be an advantage, insofar as mistakes are not allowed to stand.</p>

<p>The Judith Miller case is a good example. How many students will, upon reading her original articles, know that they have been subject to intense challenges? Newspaper articles, by the way, qualify as primary sources.</p>

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<p>My high school son (who doesn’t quote Wikipedia, but certainly uses it), says it’s helpful to look at the history and discussion tabs. I’ve found the site to be very accurate for old history and popular culture and very weird when you stumble on something like a citation for a local high school. (All I was looking for was the address!)</p>

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<p>I have seen that data avout income corelation. But how on earth, a low income white/asian student score better than a higher income URM, that does not make sense to me. Is that data vaild or just someone created a wrong graph. That is what puzzles me more than anything.</p>

<p>I’m with marite and JHS. Colleges at Middlebury’s level should be teaching students how to evaluate sources. Not only are there articles in Wikipedia that represent the latest state of research, there was a study in “Nature” suggesting that Wikipedia was as accuratge as print sources for much info in the natural sciences. (I’ll see if I can find a citation to the study that’s not on the web :-)</p>

<p>The SAT graph worked fine for me. I’ve seen it somewhere not on line. Maybe in The Big Test?</p>

<p>Scouting around online I think this might be Wiki’s source: <a href=“http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/testing.htm[/url]”>http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/testing.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Basic advice for using electronic sources obviously hold double for wikipedia -it is always a good practice to make personal copies of electronic information to keep for future reference. </p>

<p>The following advice on the subject is from the Williams College Libraries:</p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.williams.edu/library/citing/wikipedia.php[/url]”>http://www.williams.edu/library/citing/wikipedia.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>asteriskea:</p>

<p>This is a very thoughtful set of guidelines. Much better than the sweeping ban enacted by Middlebury.</p>

<p>Just to make things a bit more interesting here is what Yale Writing Center has to say to students on the how and why of the to cite or not to cite wiki question:</p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.yale.edu/bass/writing/sources/kinds/citeinternet/wikipedia.html[/url]”>http://www.yale.edu/bass/writing/sources/kinds/citeinternet/wikipedia.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Actually, it depends on the item. I’ve looked up some admittedly obscure topics and found the research to be quite thorough, clearly footnoted and sourced. I’ve appreciated links to more pages as well.</p>

<p>The pop culture though with healthy skepticism exception seems reasonable. I’m not sure it can be compared with the Middlebury history department’s policy, though. Probably not too much need in that department for “reggaeton.”</p>

<p>I like the Yale take concerning the fact that it’s a general encyclopedia, which is the point I was trying to convey.</p>

<p>Yes, but I think the “Yale take” is a misreading of Wikipedia. </p>

<p>Britannica, or World Book (does it still exist?), has a general editor aiming for a consistent tone and detail-level across all articles. There is an ideal reader, or set of readers, in mind – a target market – and the material is shaped to fit that market’s preferences. Furthermore, at least in the print world, there is a constant economic tradeoff between length and cost; someone is always deciding whether additional information adds recoverable economic value. And contributors are paid, which raises the cost of additional information and, frankly, may lead to mediocrity as a cost-control strategy.</p>

<p>Wikipedia does not limit the information provided, especially given its limitless ability to carve sub-topics off into separate articles. The community interested in a particular article determines its tone and depth – so there is a lot of variation, but no one is enforcing a 10th grade comprehension standard. Authors are volunteers, and each page may have multiple contributors. So some things have a poor pedigree, and others an excellent one. It isn’t always easy to tell which is which as to particular statements. But over time the quality of information in an article ought to be improving, at least if decent scholars are watchdogging it. Sometimes that is the case, and sometimes not, but you can often tell fairly easily if there is this kind of peer review going on, and also if the statement you are relying on has survived it.</p>

<p>Wikipedia is far, far from perfect – I agree with most of the limitations suggested. But it is much closer to Diderot’s vision of an ideal encyclopedia than it is to a telemarketer’s vision of an ideal encyclopedia. At least parts of it are. That’s what makes it so interesting.</p>

<p>JHS is correct about the limitations imposed by print encyclopedias (not to mention the incredibly low rate of pay per word offered to would-be authors).</p>