Middlebury College: A Stand Against Wikipedia

<p>why is this such a big deal? if people were <em>smart</em> they should realize that you shouldn’t cite any online sources unless its already in print (like a periodical or journal). I was taught this in middle school. Whats the problem here?</p>

<p>And besides the fact that wikipedia is online, when was the last time you actually cited an encyclopedia in a paper? 5th grade? they’re worthless seeing as a 50 minute lecture gives you way more information than the encyclopedia would give you anyway.</p>

<p>If people are citing wikipedia, or any encyclopedia in a college (or high school) paper, the paper is probably just not going to be any good.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.cornellsun.com/node/21501[/url]”>http://www.cornellsun.com/node/21501&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://www.thedartmouth.com/article.php?aid=2007022002010[/url]”>http://www.thedartmouth.com/article.php?aid=2007022002010&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/19798[/url]”>http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/19798&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2007/02/07/News/free-Encyclopedia.May.Cost.You.That.A-2702662.shtml[/url]”>http://media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2007/02/07/News/free-Encyclopedia.May.Cost.You.That.A-2702662.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Geez! These dumb kids are everywhere!</p>

<p>Arcadia–I only read the Yale and Penn articles, but it’s point seems to be that students at these schools know that Wiki is not a reliable or appropriate source. Not sure what your point is.</p>

<p>“I certainly consult Wikipedia, but I usually just read it to give me an idea of where to look for information or just to give a very general idea of a topic.”</p>

<p>I agree. Use it to go to the source, although I did follow a wikipedia source recently and found that the info wikipedia took from the source was wrong. They were using raw numbers as percentages. They should have been dividing by 92 rather than 100. However, I certainly hope that Middlebury doesn’t ban first order derivatives of wikipedia. Sometimes the fruit is bruised after it leaves the tree.</p>

<p>As a trained librarian with an MLS, I would say Wikipedia should never ever be used as a source in a paper. However, as others have stated, it can be a great tool to point you to other more reliable sources.</p>

<p>Basically, if you are doing academic work, then for heaven’s sake use academic sources. Nearly all college and university libraries subscribe to print and electronic (online) journals, and electronic research databases. To not use them and to use Wikipedia instead is intellectual laziness of the highest degree.</p>

<p>garland–nice selective reading of the articles. Here’s the first paragraph of the Cornell article:</p>

<p>“One professor in the city and regional planning department tells her students that she will “slash” their essays if they use Wikipedia as the sole source of information. She is tired of reading research papers that are falsely cited and finding that the free Internet encyclopedia is to blame. The professor’s hostility towards Wikipedia is part of a growing sentiment among professors who are banding together against the citation of inaccurate information.”</p>

<p>From the Yale article: [Yale] History professor Michael Gasper explicitly outlawed the use of Wikipedia as a source for papers in his class “A History of the Palestine/Israel Question.” “This paper will be based on your own research,” Gasper wrote in the syllabus for the class. “Please do not even think of using Wikipedia or other such websites as sources for your paper. Wait! You THOUGHT about it!!”</p>

<p>The Yale prof line was a joke, it seemed to me. I would call that selective use.</p>

<p>"While most Yale students said they knew better than to cite the Web site in an academic paper, many said they still informally make use of the Web site. "</p>

<p>that seems to be the actual gist of the article. But wholesale potshots at entire student bodies is probably more fun.</p>

<p>Garland–I think you’re missing my sarcasm. I was listing these articles in response to jags861’s comment above that “smart” people wouldn’t think to use Wikipedia in the first place. I don’t actually think that any of the kids at these schools (including Middlebury, of course) are dumb. Quite the contrary. I was simply pointing out that this issue is not unique to Middlebury (my alma mater), and a ban on citing Wiki articles doesn’t mean that kids are dumb.</p>

<p>I never said the “smart” wouldn’t think about using it. I said that if people were smart (which would imply that if people made smart actions) then they wouldn’t use wikipedia in their papers. papers that rely on wikipedia generally suck. When a professor basicly says “you’re going to get a crappy grade if you use wikipedia” that would imply that the paper sucked or is going to suck.</p>

<p>also, reading at least the first article (i wasn’t going to read all 4) i notice 1 quote - “I will use Wikipedia if I need to look up an equation or if I want to get background information before starting my research, but I wouldn’t ever cite it in a paper" - BINGO thats how you use it.</p>

<p>Contributor not the professor he claimed to be
Mary Vallis, National Post
Published: Thursday, March 08, 2007
<a href=“http://■■■■■■■.com/33nqmb[/url]”>http://■■■■■■■.com/33nqmb&lt;/a&gt;
The anonymous user-driven encyclopedia Wikipedia is struggling to regain people’s trust after one of its most trusted and prolific editors, who claimed to be a professor of religion, was exposed as a 24-year-old from Kentucky.</p>

<p>Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia’s cofounder, said yesterday contributors to the collaborative online service will be allowed to remain anonymous, but it will ask those claiming to have professional credentials to identify themselves. Mr. Wales appears to have changed his tune since he spoke with The New Yorker.</p>

<p>Last week, the magazine revealed in an editor’s note that it had reported the false credentials of a Wikipedia administrator and contributor calling himself Essjay and claiming to be a tenured professor. Essjay and his comments appeared in a feature story published in July, 2006. The magazine later learned that Essjay was Ryan Jordan, a young man without any advanced degrees.</p>

<p>“I regard it as a pseudonym and I don’t really have a problem with it,” Mr. Wales told The New Yorker last week.</p>

<p>Critics of Wikipedia have seized on the Essjay scandal as further proof that the participatory Web site, whose supporters claim to be as reliable as traditional encyclopedias, is not to be trusted.</p>

<p>Regarding the original subject of this thread, from later in that same article:</p>

<p>“The online encyclopedia took another blow last month when the history department at Vermont’s Middlebury College banned students from using the site in citations. Don Wyatt, the department’s chairman, said the latest scandal is “vindicating in an interesting way.””</p>

<p>I think the Essjay scandal is hysterical.</p>

<p>People who are really interested in the Middlebury story might want to go here: <a href=“http://mt.middlebury.edu/middblogs/jmittell/JustTV/[/url]”>http://mt.middlebury.edu/middblogs/jmittell/JustTV/&lt;/a&gt;. Jason Mittell is a professor at Middlebury and this is his blog. He has four entries devoted to the Wikipedia controversy; the 2/28 one includes a video of an hourlong forum on campus about Wikipedia (I watched it and found it very interesting). Mittell, who was quoted in the NY Times story, argues that Wikipedia has a place in college research. Read his blog for his position. </p>

<p>I haven’t read this entire thread, so it is possible this has already been said, but part of the impetus for the history department policy had nothing to do with students citing Wikipedia in papers, but using it as a study guide instead of doing their assigned reading. Essentially, Wikipedia as Cliff Notes.</p>

<p>Neil Waters, Professor of History and Kawashima Professor of Japanese Studies at Middlebury College on the Wiki:</p>

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<p><a href=“http://media.www.middleburycampus.com/media/storage/paper446/news/2007/04/11/Opinions/OpEd-Wikiphobia.The.Latest.In.Open.Source-2833080-page2.shtml[/url]”>http://media.www.middleburycampus.com/media/storage/paper446/news/2007/04/11/Opinions/OpEd-Wikiphobia.The.Latest.In.Open.Source-2833080-page2.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>“All faculty members will be telling students about the policy and explaining why material on Wikipedia ? while convenient ? may not be trustworthy.”</p>

<p>Hopefully that pack of leftwing loonies will issue the same warnign about their own published works.</p>

<p>aww wiki is my idol</p>

<p>[wiki co founder recommends an alternative encyclopedia](<a href=“Main Page - Citizendium”>http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Main_Page&lt;/a&gt;)</p>

<p>Thanks for posting that - I mentioned Citizendium in post #114.</p>

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<p>Really is amazing just how much of a fuss this all stirred up - but Wiki or no Wiki, it still is an encyclopedia.</p>

<p>I was sooo worried when this article was first posted because my son wrote one of his college essays about the wiki sites he visits and how they define him as a person and thinker. He didn’t apply to Club Midd–a great school, but too close to home–but the essay seemed to go down fine at the schools where he did apply. Don’t worry–be happy!</p>