<p>“When you have lived and suffered like that, you can hardly be faulted for wanting your children to succeed, no matter what that takes”</p>
<p>Well, of course. But that translates - all too often --into a mentality of “I am owed admissions at HYPSM” and “HYPSM are the only places where one can be successful from.” Since that’s clearly not true, what is the “unfairness” if a smart kid goes to Tufts instead of Harvard? It’s a resounding “big whoops.”</p>
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Research universities such as Harvard get so much federal money (Pell grants, subsidized loans, research grants) that they are quasi-public. If Harvard wants to admit students partly based on race, it should stop taking government money, like Hillsdale.</p>
<p>Why do liberals who support vigorous enforcement of laws against racial discrimination at private businesses think universities should be exempt?</p>
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<p>Would you agree with this statement? Probably not.</p>
<p>Well, if your belief is that <em>Walmart</em> is actively and deliberately turning down <em>women applicants for promotion</em> because they want to help “undeserving” or less deserving <em>man</em> applicants, and you object to that on moral fairness grounds, the solution is simple - you tell your kid not to apply there, because a) clearly they are <em>gender</em> jerks and b) your <em>professional</em> experience will be ruined by all those less deserving <em>workers</em> in the seats. </p>
<p>The notion that you don’t like what they’re doing and how they pick the <em>workers to be promoted</em> but you really want your kid to be a part of that class <em>of promoted workers</em> makes no sense.</p>
<p>Bel, I could ask, how do some protest U policies when they really don’t know what they are or how they are implemented? If you mean,“In principle, I would object to X,” fine. But all this certainty about, eg, adding SAT points or admitting kids who won’t make it, is baffling.</p>
<p>It’s not perfect. But, if you choose to enter a fray where 85-90% will not gain an admit, with a highly, highly competitive pool, you can’t blame a denial on some class of others, can’t assume they are less than you or your kid. The numbers were against you, from the get go. Your whole understanding of that fray does not come from experience.</p>
<p>Remember, even Espenshade didn’t claim to know it all:
*Mr. Espenshade cautioned against jumping to conclusions. “The empirical work that we’ve done suggests that Asian-American applicants might be at some competitive disadvantage,” he said.</p>
<p>“Some people say ‘Isn’t that prima facie evidence of discrimination?’ ” He continued, “and I say no, not necessarily. Mainly because we are looking at a portion of information that admissions deans have access to.” *</p>
<p>I think my point of my posts are that if we are to be a truly great country we need to look past the “what is good for me” mentality.
Better education is one way of ensuring future generations have the where-with-all to succeed. This seems to be a mission statement for many private colleges and it is a worthy cause. You may not want your tax dollars supporting this in any way but I do. I also do not hold issue with paying full tuition when so many students do not. These colleges are non-profit organizations and it is well within the law and their right to run as they see fit. If you don’t like the rules in place, than fight to change it, it will be a battle. </p>
<p>How sterile would these colleges be if they were filled with homogenized student populations, how boring and uninspiring?</p>
<p>^They would be like Hillsdale College or Liberty University, to name a few.</p>
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I agree with the statement you posted. I would certainly tell my child not to apply to what I felt was a racist company when there are other options available. Which of course there are when we are talking about schools.</p>
<p>“Why do liberals who support vigorous enforcement of laws against racial discrimination at private businesses think universities should be exempt?”</p>
<p>What we REALLY need is a federal investigation into why racial minorities in STEM programs are being discriminated against so blatantly. I mean just look at the FACTS: Blacks are admitted … a tacit admission that they’re qualified … but all those white administrators and white professors are giving them lower grades and forcing HALF out of their chosen major. TALK ABOUT DISCRIMINATION!!! I WANT PRINCETON’S HEAD ON A PLATTER!!!</p>
<p>Um, have we reached SillySilly Land yet?</p>
<p>“Why do liberals …”</p>
<p>You’re absolutely right. Conservative values rule. I propose we reinstate the environment that existed in 1950, when American universities had virtually no blacks … and virtually no Asians.</p>
<p>It never ceases to amaze me the bias of people espousing diversity because they fail to recognize it in the word “Asians”. Are they all the same to you?</p>
<p>“Are they (Asians) all the same to you?”</p>
<p>Yep. Filipino, Indian, Cambodian, Chinese, Japanese … same same. Europeans too: Irish, Sicilian, Swiss … all the same.</p>
<p>“It never ceases to amaze me the bias of people espousing diversity because they fail to recognize it in the word ‘Asians’. Are they all the same to you?”</p>
<p>Doing my best redneck imitation: “Well all them Asians look the same to me. I can’t tell them apart!”</p>
<p>Thank you cbreeze for your pithy statement that shows the illogical behavior of discriminating for one group and against another.</p>
<p>“Yep. Filipino, Indian, Cambodian, Chinese, Japanese … same same. Europeans too: Irish, Sicilian, Swiss … all the same.”</p>
<p>I can only hope that was sarcastic because the alternative would be idiotic.</p>
<p>^ It was. (10 char)</p>
<p>This is getting strange and distasteful.</p>
<p>^ Yes, you are right. Until now it has been fairly civil but we are getting into the weeds.</p>
<p>But it does bring to mind a question … why aren’t there more Burmese in American colleges and universities. Is it political payback against Mynamar’s repressive government (which of course would be quite illegal)? I think we need a Federal investigation.</p>
<p>Strange and distasteful? Yes, I’d say 17 pages of “admit the black football players but not the black STEM majors” definitely qualifies as strange and distasteful.</p>
<p>getting? Just now?</p>
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<p>Ah, but there is a REMEDY! In an engineering class, deduct 10 points off every test for Asians and add 10 points for Hispanics and 20 points for African-Americans. This would then improve diversity in the classroom. And diversity in the quality of new bridges.</p>