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<p>Because a black middle class kid and a white middle class kid will have had exactly the same opportunities and will be given all the same advantages in life, since we have no racism whatsoever in America.</p>
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<p>This is good to read from time to time, our Preamble:</p>
<p>“We the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”</p>
<p>Sometime the General Welfare will take precedence over the individual rights in ways people may not like. I think colleges work very much the same way in how they approach admissions.</p>
<p>I blame ghetto chic. Peer pressure within black culture that causes us to deemphasize academics and focus on sports and sociality.</p>
<p>I am black, and the resistance I’ve gotten from my parents for studying hard, reading “too many” books, and being a nerd has been huge. I truly think it’s a destructive culture holding us back, and an education-centered Asian culture pushing members of that group ahead.</p>
<p>I mean, let’s be serious. In all my time in school, racism has never truly been the problem. Teachers go out of their way to ensure their black students are represented, especally when these are acdemically talented.</p>
<p>It’s the home environent, the sort of friends around you, the interests that are fostered as you age that are ultimately the difference that makes a difference when it comes to racial differences in academic performance.</p>
<p>I think this explains the socioeconomic effect, too.</p>
<p>^^ For that reason I think it’s important to have kids mixed at a younger age, say K-5, black and Adian.</p>
<p>Talking about mix at a different level and college admissions of Asian students, I wonder if there is any discrepancy between accepting white-Asian mixed students with different last names, Johnny White vs Johnny Asian, both kids are 50% Asian.</p>
<p>^interesting. My brother is Asian, or maybe half - he was adopted when we lived there so we are not sure - but has a very waspy name. A lot of half-Asian or adopted Asian kids have that.</p>
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<p>sometimes the obvious answer is the correct answer, but many like to look for more obscure reasons.</p>
<p>^^ the obvious answer may not have an easy fix. There may be easier remedies for the obscure reasons…</p>
<p>I agree with Philovitist. A person commented on the aforementioned NYT article, saying something about this:</p>
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This has been my experience too. There is never ‘no’ for buying novels, prepbooks, extracurriculars, camps, online classes (prep or even EPGY/CTY stuff) in most of the Asian/Indian families I know. This isn’t something that’s exclusive to these racial groups. I’m fairly sure Michelle Obama’s family wasn’t that well off but her family emphasized education and she ended up at Princeton.</p>
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<p>The white people in the colleges didn’t think it was boring and uninspiring when the campuses were nearly all white. In fact, back then, the concern was that the campuses were not “white” enough-- too many pesky Jews…</p>
<p>“From my perspective I see many AAs and most AA advocates come from a culture that worships race far more so than Asians worship scores. The latter for the most part try to look at the tangible measures that are used - be it scores, rigor, ECs, volunteering, whatever, and try to get an edge in areas over which they have an opportunity to exercise control. The former look at outcomes in areas that suits them, and if it is sub-par, blame the criteria.”</p>
<p>Well said, Dad<em>of</em>3. While I am supportive of AA, on race, SEC and gender perspectives, I fundamentally have issues with some CCers who somehow have consistently exhibited racial bias against Asians and Asian cultures. To be honest, if any of them had shown similar attitude towards any other minorities, they would have been called racists.</p>
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<p>Speak for yourself, GMT. Clearly you have different values than some of us.</p>
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<p>No there is NOT enough to go around. Spots in schools are fixed. That is why the NAACP is complaining about Stuy, and Abigail Fisher is complaining about UT.</p>
<p>@sally305,</p>
<p>You misinterpret my post #270. I was merely pointing out that the mileposts change.</p>
<p>GMT, what can I say? If that was true which of course is clearly your opinion, it was as wrong then as it would be today. We are greater, stronger because of our diversity and differences. Homogenization is bland, while it may promote unity, diverse opinions truly stimulate the mind.</p>
<p>Everyone for various reasons feel they are discriminated is some way. Maybe it is not fair, maybe there are valid reasons for it that you disagree with, I personally understand and it is no fun being on the receiving end. </p>
<p>Now choose your next options, pick the best course, embrace it and move on.</p>
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<p>The issue with that, PCHope is that the asians on this thread brought this up and this is why it became an issue. If you go back and read the thread, you will see this was not the main subject until it was brought up by asians, or maybe caucasians, some of whom seem to believe that the only reason a school would find an african american or hispanic applicant attractive is AA. (I don’t happen to believe this. I also happen to be white/full disclosure, and very priveledged, also full disclosure, and highly educated, full disclosure)</p>
<p>GMT-- there are enough places for a bright, motivated student to receive an excellent education that I am simply not worried someone is going to “miss out.” As I said a ways back, if somebody cannot get an excellent education at one of the great state flagships, or LAC’s or top 50 privates, in this country, they are really not going to do well in the wider world, anyway.</p>
<p>I think parents of kids of any race or SES or gender do their children an incredible disservice when they idolize certain schools to the extent of chest thumping, teeth gnashing envy of the poor or less well educated.</p>
<p>That said, I think every single culture can learn from the other, and this is why it is so important to put us all together in substantive numbers, on the same campuses. </p>
<p>ETA: I’ll tell you who I do think is really stuck with a rotten deal in this country, right now, though, since we are so completely off topic anyway, it’s the middle class and upper middle class kids who don’t qualify for FA and whose parents could have never foreseen the price of a college education getting as high as it has gotten. They are being encumbered by tremendous debt, regardless of race or gender.</p>
<p>As a 20 year old, I would expect this from people my age. But grown adults such as yourselves? Wow.</p>
<p>@beachlover15.
lol. And you and your friends thought your parents were dull… ;-)</p>
<p>@potgrl</p>
<p>Personally, I do not believe in using perceived “bigotry” to counter other perceived “bigotry”. I know this is Internet so everything goes. But I am still hopeful …</p>
<p>Btw, your post #86 is fantastic.</p>
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<p>I alredy posted about this… What about not being worried because some employers discriminate against certain groups of people? After all, there is enough good employers out there… So you do not “miss out” on anything. </p>
<p>What if someone makes it difficult for you to buy a house that you like and can afford because of your demographic characteristics? After all, there are many other good houses out there… So you do not “miss out” on anything.</p>