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<p>Er, got any confirmation of this?</p>
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<p>Sorry, but that is completely untrue. If I go to a terrible school with a teacher who does an awful job teaching U.S. History, and I have to share a book with another kid, and sometimes I can’t even get to school because I have to stay home and babysit my little sister so my mom can go to work–oh, and by the way, I am HUNGRY all day long and it is hard to concentrate–and then I get a bad score on the U.S. History test, how is that predictive of what I am capable of learning in college, when I have far better circumstances? It’s not.</p>
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<p>No. Technicaly this is driven more by the Government bureaucracy (Census/IPEDS) than by a clear assessment of demographic profiles vs. enrollment. Suppose one conducts a study and finds that French-American are under represented at schools based on % of population. Because the IPEDS does not collect data about French-American enrollment, it is very unlikely that schools would consider them to be URM.</p>
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<p>It’s just that poor people don’t do this either out of ignorance or out of paucity and end up getting criticized for having lower test scores.</p>
<p>I thought it went without saying that we were talking about minorities that were measured by the census.</p>
<p>I have a friend whose daughter is part native american. Not a big part, but “enough” to put it down on an app.</p>
<p>There is a white supremacist poster on this board who is Hispanic “enough” to have used that on his apps.</p>
<p>The system, like any, can be gamed. That doesn’t mean the system has no value.</p>
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<p>I don’t think you read my post.</p>
<p>^Enlighten me.</p>
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<p>Yes, REALLY</p>
<p>Unless you don’t believe the college board</p>
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<p>Elitists going into Consulting. That’s pretty funny. “The problem in this company is that you’ve got nothing but underqualified dumb-*sses working here, and that certainly includes the Executive staff. How did you guys get into college? Wait let me guess … YOU WERE LEGACIES!”</p>
<p>If your school does not prepare you for an elite education, then that sucks, but you are not prepared to undergo an elite education. It’s like walking into a Calculus course before you even learn Algebra. You don’t have the conceptual tools to perform.</p>
<p>It sucks that your education is screwed up, but the solution is not, “Put this student in the best American college available, stat.”</p>
<p>Besides, your complaint works for basically every single scored or graded academic assessment that has and ever will exist, and it doesn’t follow for any of them. To expect a college to admit you without providing any indication that you are competent enough to handle the work that college assigns is naive and irresponsible.</p>
<p>High school, to the future college-goer, is about preparation for higher education. F your high school only prepares you for an education of the caliber of your state school, it’s in your best interest to go there and adcoms should understand that.</p>
<p>Mismatches suck for everyone.</p>
<p>“Unless you don’t believe the college board.”</p>
<p>Well that depends … was the information posted by someone qualified? Or was it posted by an URM?</p>
<p>(How anyone can defend this kind of bigotry escapes me entirely.)</p>
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<p>tell that to over the 100 kids accused of cheating at Stuyvesant and the kids who flew in to take the exam for others (and had no remorse for doing so).</p>
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<p>:eek: I hacked into the college board website because I just wanted to be right :)</p>
<p>Where is the mega thread when we need it?</p>
<p>WOOOHOOOO.</p>
<p>Well, I was debating with myself about spending the money, but now it seems I don’t have to.</p>
<p>@Philovitist,</p>
<p>I am curious about your opinion of my suggestions in post#489 to improve K-12 academic achievement for poor URMs</p>
<p>@Philo, I can see your point as it relates to math, for sure. Which is why I used U.S. history as my example. How much previous experience with U.S. history is necessary to succeed in a history or other liberal arts class in college? Clearly, international students who have never been exposed to a U.S. history curriculum are being admitted to American universities. Aptitude in subjects that require a lot of memorization is not the same as that in subjects that require cumulative understanding of more and more difficult concepts.</p>
<p>But if you are correct, the URMs that are being admitted to the Ivies ARE passing the SAT subject tests. (I have no experience with them because my son sent ACTs to his schools, which were almost all LACs.)</p>
<p>“It seems that in many institution it is indeed the case that the average Asian student has higher academic qualifications than the average White student. Therefore, absent other information, when an observer sees an Asian and a White from that university, the observer will be justified in thinking that it is more likely that the Asian student is more qualified than the White student.”</p>
<p>Perhaps when I see a white and a black student walking down the street, I should think that the black student is likely better at basketball. @@</p>
<p>How about we see one another as people, as opposed to your horrific view that people are merely representatives of the average of their skin color?</p>
<p>@Philovitist,</p>
<p>I am curious about your opinion of my suggestions in post#489 to improve K-12 academic achievement for poor URMs</p>
<p>If it were an easy thing to do, it’d be done already. I personally think more effort should be made to begin education earlier, where it makes the most difference. As for K-12, something more innovative will be needed. Definitely not vouchers.</p>
<p>But K-12 investment shouldn’t mean the end of AA until we get results. At least get them on the level of hispanics, for pete’s sake.</p>
<p>As I said earlier, the compelling interest stays until racial differences stop equating to academic, socioeconomic, etc. differences.</p>
<p>I have read almost every single post in this entire, breathtakingly horrible thread. While horrifying, it explains a lot, actually. Like why it was assumed by some that my biracial (black and white) D somehow scammed her way into her 4th grade gifted class. And why a friend’s black S was assumed to be “unprepared” for a similar middle school program. It explains why kids from certain areas of my city have assumed D is from “the ghetto” and why education “activists” in my city assume ALL schools that are primarily filled with children of color are not very good, or that all the kids have parents that work two or three jobs and have “no time” to help their kids in school or worse, are uninvolved and don’t CARE.</p>
<p>It explains why there are people who still want to see President Obama’s college and law school grades to prove he “deserved” to be there. It explains why it was assumed when my H interviewed for a certain job, that he couldn’t manage it, and was edged out by someone with far less experience, no in-person interview, and lacking major skills needed for the job. Had an insider not told him that it was because H was black, we’d never have known.</p>
<p>People at my D’s school are already talking Ivy and what some here would call “top tier”. SCREW THAT. Why should she want to go to a set of schools where people will always assume that she “took” some deserving white or Asian kid’s spot. She went through that in ELEMENTARY school! </p>
<p>Going to go pound my head on the sidewalk. It will be more pleasant that reading this thread.</p>
<p>@Philovitist,
Why do you not like vouchers? Whenever they are offered on a limited basis, don’t parents line up to vie for them?</p>