<p>My D(age 13) has been trying to buy a saddle on ebay. She found what she was looking for and bid. She did not win. The reserve was not met. The seller sent her a second chance offer to buy at a certain price. A good price for my D. Along with the offer from ebay to buy it now for said price(D’s highest bid) was a note from the seller offering it at a sum $300 higher. My D took the buy it now offer. We paid through paypal.
Now the seller is indicating she was offering the saddle at 900 and can not sell it for the “buy it Now” price.
The seller is an older woman who this is her first time selling on ebay. I think she is legit in saying she did not understand what she was doing. My nice and understanding side feels I should release her from the obligation to sell the product. Though after reading the rules of selling the woman enter into this process and it was her respondibility to read the terms. Under ebay terms she is obligated to sell the saddle at the buy it now price.
The price is fair but on the low side. What I would hate to see is that we let her not sell us the saddle and then she relists the item and someone else buys it for around the same price. I doubt she will get the price she is trying to get.
I am torn between being nice and trying to make the seller honor the contract. My D has worked hard earning the money to buy the saddle. Babysitting, mucking corrals and using part of her bat mitzvah money. She will be heartbroken to not get the saddle.
At this point I am waiting to hear back from the seller. She already has been credited with the selling price.</p>
<p>I don’t understand what happened. Your D didn’t win the auction because the reserve was not met. Did the seller re list it as a buy it now and also offer your D a deal off of ebay that was $300 higher than the buy it now price? It’s against ebay rules to offer a deal outside of ebay after an auction has closed. You need to check ebay for the various rules and conflict resolutions. It seems like the seller has violated at least one ebay rule and could be reported for that. At the very least, she should have to refund your money.</p>
<p>i don’t buy much on ebay so I cant really follow what is happening but
I have received buy it now offers but never entered into them.
But if your Ds money has been accepted through paypal then the seller is obligated to send the item.
I would pressure her to send it stressing that your daughter earned the money for it, entered into a good faith agreement and also emphasize that the price she paid is fair.
Just because perhaps she got the idea she could get even more money for it, isn’t a reason to renege on her prior arrangement.
She either wants to sell it or not.
If you let seller out of contract, think about what lesson that is teaching your D. I think people should learn contracts have to be taken seriously, even those on ebay</p>
<p>Mom60-
Sometimes the “second chance” offers are not legit. Ebay warns about this. You might want to double check, just to be safe, even though you have had some communiction with who you believe to be the seller. The “second offers” are sometimes phishing emails. Check this out carefully. Also, if you find that it is the correct seller, I’d check to see how long the seller has been a seller on ebay, if she is selling directly (vs through an ebay selling store that are set up in shopping centers and such). Usually a “new” ebay seller is not savvy enough to know how to send a “second chance” offer to a bidder, so I am not sure I buy the “I am old an not familiar with ebay” story. I’d do more checking at your end before you start feeling guilty. Something doesn’t pass the smell test.</p>
<p>READ THIS: [Combating</a> Spoof - Making It Easier to Distinguish Legitimate Second Chance Offers](<a href=“http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200604201142502.html]Combating”>http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200604201142502.html)
and this: [eBay</a> Guides - BEWARE the spoof second chance offer](<a href=“http://reviews.ebay.com/BEWARE-the-spoof-second-chance-offer_W0QQugidZ10000000001639626?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:LISTINGS:5]eBay”>http://reviews.ebay.com/BEWARE-the-spoof-second-chance-offer_W0QQugidZ10000000001639626?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:LISTINGS:5)</p>
<p>prefect- there is a feature that sellers may use to offer “second chance offers” to bidders if the reserve price was not met. The Buy it Now offers are not to everyone on ebay just to individuals who have bid. The ebay procedure is the offer is at the highest bid by that individual bidder. The seller can not set a price. I think the seller thought she could offer the saddle for $900 to the bidders. I think she did not realize that by extending the 2nd chance offer she was committing to sell for the highest bid price. It is clear if you read the terms which she clearly did not understand.
Emeraldkity I have emailed her that my D raised the money on her own. I also showed her what the same saddle had gone for in previous auctions on ebay. I haven’t heard back.</p>
<p>There is no moral dilemma in my opinion. I do sympathize with the woman and understand why you feel conflicted, but a deal’s a deal. Your daughter entered the deal in good faith and had every reason to believe the seller did too. Your daughter should not be penalized for the woman’s inexperience. And make sure the saddle is the same one offered and bought…even if you do believe the woman, there are unscrupulous people out there.</p>
<p>I’ve actually changed my mind on this three times in two minutes, but I think it comes down to either buying the saddle for your price or not. You’re not responsible for how old or illiterate someone is. Either she ships the saddle or you report her to eBay in the next 24 hours. I would consider notifying eBay’s fraud department right away just in case this is a scam to extort more money from you. </p>
<p>If your daughter doesn’t get this saddle, it will be a good Life Lesson for her that, 1) you don’t always get what you want, and 2) there are lots of saddles in the world, she’ll get another one.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>jym626- I was cautious of the 2nd change offer. I did not go through the email but instead logged back on ebay and went through it that way. It looks like the offer is legit.
I had concerns about this from the start. It is a seller who is a first time ebay seller. I emailed her my concerns and she gave me a link to her business and explained now she came to be in possession of the saddle. Normally I would never buy from someone who has no feedback. But in this case we are looking for an unusual item. It all sounds legit. She has a horse based business and took the saddle in as a trade. She had it appraised by a vet and equine breeder. I checked out her business and it is legit. It went against my better judgement to even try to get this particular saddle. I have bought other items on ebay but never in this price range and I always make sure the person has plenty of good feedback.</p>
<p>If you are comfortable putting the link to the saddle, we can take a look at it. Does the seller have a good selling history or is she really a new seller? Those can also be suspicious. Personally, though I rarely buy on ebay, I only buy from sellers with good selling history. Did ou pay via paypal? YOu can put the sale in dispute. $300 is a lot of $$ for a young kid to lose,and if you paid on paypal, it probably came out of your wallet, not your dau’s. BE CAREFUL.</p>
<p>Sounds like you have done everything right- thats a lotta money though-your daughter must have really worked hard.
I hope she eventually gets the saddle she wants.
( why we don’t have a horse- we already have a hole we throw money into)</p>
<p>mom60-
Our posts crossed. Looks like you did good due diligence on this purchase. If you stand your ground and tell the seller ('orry you made a mistake but you need to honor it") whichis entirely withonyour right) do you trust that se will send it in good condition and not do somethingto damage it in some way? The seller has a sad story, but so does your dau. She scrimped and saved for tis and bought it in good faith. The seller should honor the sale or refund your money. Asking for $300 more is unreasonable, especially from a young kid trying to buy a saddle. You can empathise with the seller, but if she truly has a retail business she should know she needs to honor the sale or refund the $$. Now.</p>
<p>A buyer can’t force a seller to sell. The only recourse the buyer has in this case is to leave the seller negative feedback for failing to follow though on the Buy-It-Now. The seller can then leave you retaliatory negative feedback if she chooses.</p>
<p>Jym- I think I sent you an email</p>
<p>Get the money back and walk away. I have rarely seen a saddle come off Ebay that looked as good as the buyer hoped or that a picture represented - except one that I sold there of course and the buyer was thrilled. There is a big difference between a $300 saddle and a $900 saddle. I"m assuming there is a horse or pony somewhere that this saddle has to fit - bringing the biggest problem with Ebay - ending up with a saddle that doesn’t fit the intended animal making the saddle worthless.</p>
<p>Jym from the few exchanges I have had with her I think she would send it in good condition.
I think if I offer to let her refund the money she would take me up on it. I would prefer to just have her honor her agreement and send the saddle. I don’t want to go through this again. Unfortunately saddles are expensive and the most likely way to get one for a good price is to buy it through ebay. The saddle is probably worth $900 but she would have a hard time finding someone to buy it for that sight unseen. In my area I would have to pay over 1000 for a similar used saddle.</p>
<p>Cartera45-I think that is risk of buying off ebay. If you know saddles it is a Pessoa made in France. My D has tried the same saddle in the same size so we are looking for something specific</p>
<p>Mom - that is exactly the saddle I sold on Ebay - an older Pessoa. I sold it 2 years ago for almost $900. The older ones were made in England at the Harry Dabbs saddlery - even though the button says Pessoa Paris. I don’t think Pessoa ever actually made any in France - if so, they would be very old. He did design some for Hermes in France. They used French leather in England and supposedly still do in Argentina. You are right not to want the ones being made now in Argentina. When I sold mine, I included a picture of the flap where England was stamped to prove it was made in England. It was a great saddle but it was too narrow for my D’s thoroughbred. They have a very narrow gullet in the back and tend to fit only narrow backed horses and rarely fit a pony. If you don’t get this saddle, look for an older Harry Dabbs. They are almost identical to the older Pessoas but are cheaper because the name is not as recognizable.</p>
<p>The title :moral dilema or not.</p>
<p>The response: She states she made a mistake and did not mean to sell it at that price. I would let her out of the obligation that she did not intentionally enter into. A nice lesson for all and a nice way to get a good nights rest. If it at all feels wrong then…it is.</p>
<p>Did the daughter not pay $600?</p>