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Unfortunately the claim is false. Alcohol does cause psychosis. Among other things.
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Like I said, feel free to start another thread, or PM me about it.
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Please keep posts on topic, which is teen use of marijuana.
And the few posters who can’t resist the back and forth exchanges need to move on or take it to PM.
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And I believe alcohol use is higher than marijuana use in teens, even in states where it’s legal. My youngest 2 just turned 21 (as in the party is still going in), but I didn’t know any teen who didn’t have fake ID (same with the 3 older kids). I do not like how vapes are marketed to teens, I also don’t appreciate vodka sodas that taste like soda. I do think a better job needs to be done regarding pot and driving, teens/young adults here are very good about not drinking and driving, getting rides, using Ubers, which is fantastic, I wish they could come up with a breathalyzer for drugs.
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For teens, marijuana and alcohol use go hand-in-hand. “58% of teen drinkers also use marijuana, contributing to frequent comorbidity between alcohol and marijuana use disorders.” APA PsycNet “Using alcohol and marijuana at the same time will likely cause greater impairment and risk of physical harm than using either one alone.” https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/featured-topics/marijuana-youth.html Condemning one while pretending the other doesn’t exist or isn’t a related is ignoring a large part of the issue, and would be a denial of reality.
Marijuana and alcohol co-use
Marijuana and alcohol are the most used substances by adolescents and young adults. People who use either substance report use of the other substance in their lifetime, or concurrent use. A significant proportion of people also report consuming marijuana and alcohol simultaneously. The concurrent and simultaneous use of marijuana and alcohol is of major concern because of its association with greater negative social and medical health consequences. For example, co-use is associated with impaired driving, involvement in the criminal justice system, and higher rates of alcohol and cannabis use disorders and psychiatric problems. https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/how-teen-marijuana-use-impacts-brain-development
Alcohol continues to be the most popular drug among teens and young adults, with almost a third of 12th graders and 40% of college students reporting recent binge drinking. Furthermore, 58% of teen drinkers also use marijuana, contributing to frequent comorbidity between alcohol and marijuana use disorders. Indeed, marijuana is the most commonly used illicit drug, with 42% of 12th graders using marijuana in their lifetime. In this chapter, we provide an overview of the cognitive and brain changes associated with heavy alcohol and marijuana use in teens and young adults. Then, we explore potential clinical and public health implications of these findings. APA PsycNet
The isn’t meant to downplay marijuana use among teens. All substance abuse by teens is problem, and if one substance is being abused there is a much greater chance other substances area also being abused. Turns out that, no matter what the various lobbies would have you believe, poisoning young, developing brains is a bad thing, whether that poison is alcohol, THC, opioids, meth, or whatever.
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My cousin, a substitute teacher in Colorado, has first hand stories about marijuana and its horrible effects on young people. Since it is legal, and the dispensaries can market it in all sorts of forms, elementary school kids are packing gummies and cookies in their lunches. Because society has down-played the dangers of marijuana, those attitudes are also creating unsafe situations for our youngest.
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Sorry. I think you’re going where this thread isn’t meant to go (sorta like Star Trek…)
Alcohol is a known quantity these days. It’s been researched. It’s been regulated. It’s been part of our society for years. Yep. Lots of negatives. But at this point in history it won’t be revisited (see any history on Prohibition).
What we are looking at recently is the use of a drug that isn’t new–it’s been around for generations now–but now has new ramifications for our present generation and country. It is sold illiciitly laced with dangerous drugs. It has the potential to harm young minds in ways that alcohol does not and has never been in our history.
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In addition to this thread being about marijuana use, a further reminder to posters that this thread is in the Parent Cafe where debate is not permitted. If you’ve made your point twice, move on.
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Who in heck is lobbying for meth? You are really out on a conspiracy theory limb here! The only “meth lobby” is a loose consortium of drug dealers and their criminal associates. They do not have a professional association, an office in DC, or a budget to entertain legislators! And meth is illegal across the country, so if they’ve got lobbyists on the payroll, they haven’t been very effective, have they?
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You haven’t heard of the big-meth lobby? We must hang out in different crowds. 
I referring to pro-alcohol and pro-thc lobbies, only one of which has been actively posting here. There has been plenty of lobbying for opioids as well. So sorry to have confused you.
The marijuana lobbying (at both the state and federal level) has had mixed results even when successful. My neighborhood has been engulfed in a zoning war over a proposed cannabis shop. It met the state guidelines, the owners met the state guidelines, they had adequate financing for construction, security, etc. But previously non-political residents have come together to throw the book at the proposed owner. Too close to a school (depends on how you measure-- site to site or door to door?), too close to a bus stop used by middle school children (that one is for sure, although state regulations don’t cover bus stops), and virtually next door to a tutoring center (which is neither a day care nor a school, according to the state’s regulations, but it has pre-school through HS kids in it, depending on the time of day (it’s a licensed OT provider for preschool kids).
So if you fear that the big money being thrown at cannabis means a store on every corner, I don’t see that happening as long as the citizenry isn’t asleep even after legalization.
And I don’t see ANY lobbyists on CC. Sorry. Someone can disagree with you- that doesn’t make them a lobbyist. I sing in the shower but that doesn’t make me Taylor Swift!
I didn’t claim the marijuana lobby was successful, only that it existed. But now that you mention it, the fact that thc products are now legal and available in many jurisdictions suggests success.
I don’t.
What does it make you if you are being paid to sing in the shower?
I like the way you think! I was one of two people in the DC area to vote against legalization. The politicians just see a revenue stream, and since legalization, you can’t walk down the street without smelling weed. It’s really sad.
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For what it’s worth, legal dispensaries in NYC take cash, credit or debit cards. They are extremely strict about checking ID–once when you walk in, once when you pay. Lol, ask me how I know at age 75!
However, the gazillion illegal unlicensed dispensaries are a parent’s nightmare and the city has been extremely ineffective at shutting them down. Of course they all have a sign on the door saying 21-or-older, but I doubt they have the ability to scan-check drivers’ licenses or non-driver ID.
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The new fake IDs actually scan somehow. They aren’t cheap.
My D’s fake cost 2 for $80 maybe 5 years ago and got passed scans, including in a casino. Also passed the UV light test many bar bouncers use to check transparency of card and hologram authenticity. I don’t know if she tried it in a dispensary.
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Years ago, when the legalizing marijuana push was reaching its crescendo, numerous major news sources couldn’t stop falling over themselves with stories about the benefits of weed. My favorite was that it isn’t a gateway drug or as addictive as tobacco and alcohol. It’s not as bad for you. At the time I thought it was crazy and I still do.
I know many young people whose lives have been derailed by weed.
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