Most Reliable Ranking of US Boarding Schools

Which schools have the highest percentage of kids whose parents also attended Ivy League schools? I’m not sure, but given that the Ivies are all in the Northeast, I bet it is no coincidence that that’s where those boarding schools are.

Which boarding schools are the most likely to have the highest percentage of families able to make significant donations to an Ivy League college (“development cases”? My guess is you would find those families chasing the status of attending the most “prestigious”, brand-name schools money can buy.

So… are you sure the percentage of Ivy admits is a function of the quality of the actual teaching and curriculum? :wink:

It is important to appreciate that most students admitted to the most selective boarding schools have a hook or two, and that those hooks often reap rewards once again during the college admissions process.

Similiar to students from the most competitive colleges & universities tend to get great jobs.

Each step, in essence, is a prescreening for the next step. Not the only way to ascend, but it is one path.

The best boarding school for your family is the one where your particular kid will thrive and best reach their potential.

Some kids love the pressure of high stakes competition, both academically and socially. The more cutthroat the culture, the more energized they feel. Some kids blossom in a more collaborative environment and rise to the top as well- respected leaders in schools that emphasize group projects instead of individual tasks. Some schools feel like small colleges and give kids lots of freedom. Others are highly structured and are more aggressive in promoting a specific culture or ethos.

It is true that there are some kids who will bloom wherever planted, but that doesn’t mean they won’t be influenced by their environment and school culture. This is worth considering.

But the truth is that there is NO one-size-fits-all school, which renders rankings meaningless.

I agreed until your last sentence.

Ratings & rankings are not meaningless if taken in context & used in an appropriate manner.

Rankings are data. Imperfect data. Biased data. They are short cuts, and if relied upon solely, will not likely get you where you should be going. But they aren’t meaningless.

For a generic kid (there is no such thing) the top 50-ish will not make a discernible difference from one another as to that kid’s life path. They are all academically strong enough, prestigious enough and Ivy bound enough.

But for a specific kid, with specific needs, you betcha one school can be far superior. And THAT has nothing to do with rank.

Now that I am on the other side, I would tell my newbie self not to bother with rankings. #1 v 20 v 30 isn’t different enough to matter. But a list of the “top” 50 is a good place to start learning what all the different schools are like. But you have to dig a whole lot deeper.

I am curious what about the Niche list the OP thought seemed off. You have to know something about the schools to make that judgment.

I’m not getting into the ratings per se, however, when you look at Ivy League matriculations, there is also the fact that large number of Ivy Leagues legacies attend these boarding schools, and there is a large overlap between the populations which attend these schools and the Ivies (by way of geographical area and SES), as well.

So it can be difficult to figuring whether this correlation indicates causation. I am not sure how strong the effects of attending one of these schools are on the chances of being accepted to an Ivy, once you control for legacy status at Ivies and for SES. The effect of attending ones of these schools may still be strong, but it is likely not as strong as the numbers who matriculate from the schools to Ivies would suggest.

I used to have a job publicizing various kinds of rankings. The team changed the weighting of the different criteria to make sure the list changed year to year. Without knowing the criteria and weighting, you can’t know whether the criteria that are most heavily weighted are the ones that matter most to you.
And most of the heavily weighted criteria in most boarding school rankings, were not even items on our particular list!

We looked for frequency of formal/seated meals and other activities designed to knit a community together. We talked to recent alumni to find out about alcohol/drugs/vaping. We compared the financial aid offers. Those were the criteria that mattered to us and none (none!) are reflected in rankings.

Green Mountain Valley Academy and Burke Mountain Academy put a seriously high percentage of their students into Dartmouth, Middlebury, (Harvard, etc). Just look at the ski rosters of those schools. It’s a different twist on the same story.

Sorry for a long post.

There is one dirty secret I have not revealed to my DS to this day and perhaps never will: Before M10, I prayed God he would get rejected from both PEA and PA. I was hugely relieved and happy when he received rejections from both. To be sure, I could do it because he had receiced some early acceptances. But I was afraid unexpected acceptances from the “Phillipses” would temp him into the prestige game, shifting his focus from “which school is right for me” to which school is more “ah~~~” ones.

We, the been-there-done-that parents, know that, in the long game of marathon called life, after all, a high school is a high school, no matter how difficult to get in, no matter how it is packaged. One has to move so much more beyond from there.

That made me sure of one thing clear: I would not send my kid to a school KNOWING FULL WELL he will end up bottom half rather than the other half - at least academically. There were 2 questions related to reaching this decision.

Is there a situation where one belongs to the bottom half and still considers the experience worthwhile? My answer to this was maybe, but there would be better choices in such case, especially when there are a ton of alternatives and the stage is too early to have your ego crushed. My inquiry was independent of college matriculation, although it would be related in real life, as GPA would be a decisive factor.

Now the more difficult question: how could I know in advance how my son would fare in which school? This was the tougher question of the two. Ranking doesn’t tell. Fame doesn’t. The same student could perform miserably at UChicago while acing at Harvard, and vice versa. This is where the illusive “fit” comes in, or so I thought. And the “luck” of finding the right group for you on campus. My personal experience may shed some light.

I did poorly in college - not because of academic difficulties but because of poor fit. Not getting along socially or being unhappy can have a big negative impact on your performance. Nobody in my college dorm was interested in the kind of topics I was into. I was a “nerd” who should have matriculated to MIT when they gave me an offer rather than coming to a school in which everyone looked like the models out of J Crew catalogue. I came with a vain hope of becoming someone else. It was not my cup. I missed my buddies back home whom I used to hang out playing arcade games munching pizza slices, making computer assemblies, coding in a few languages. I had a terrible home sick throughout my college, cutting classses to sleep in my solitude.

Looking back, on the flip side, most of my college folks would have been miserable at MIT - the nerd heaven - where they would have to deal with hundered of kids like me. When I finally took a computer class in my senior year, I was shocked to find so many fine students there were clueless about computer concepts and sought my help. For the first time in my college I felt useful to others. I had found my group - but 3 years too late and there were too few.

They say the admission game is self selective. Not always. Apparently, my college admission made the wrong choice of accepting me, and I made the wrong choice of enrolling there. They did it for the diversity of including nerds, and I for vague and vain factors such as “prestige and luxury,” the life I did not have. One right decision by either could have prevented it. Two back-to-back wrong decisions completed my misery.

I digressed to make my point clear: You must be careful - when they reject you, not so, when they accept you, so much so. You no longer have the protection of rejection. The school that has just accepted you, righly or wrongly, put the remaining half squarely on your shoulder. If you accept their offer knowing that you will struggle to fit in there, you have only yourself to blame.

In my DS’ case I was reasonably sure from many indicators that he would not fit in there, and the schools acknowleged that too through merciful rejections. The other day, my DS sent me a message: “I cannot believe I was once interested in PA and PEA. I cannot see how I could have gone to any school other than this one, with all my friends and teachers!” Now I am really relieved.

PS I know my college example has nothing to do with PA or PEA as they both boast some of the finest “nerds” among their students in the country as well. I tried to make the complex point of fit - the fit can be irrelevant to ranking and it is very personal in nature. For instance, if you are the type who never speak out in class, a Harkness is not gonna change that aptitude - it might as well make you abominate it more, having met those who chatter meaninglessly and endlessly in class to leave impressions on teachers and earn participation points, for there are kids who prime everything to political ends.

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I think that most kids on this board would be shocked by how many parents who went to Andover or Exeter are actively happy that their own kids are not attending. Lots of parents get that fit is paramount even when they occasionally slip and let ego guide them for a while. Parents who went to BS probably get that fit is important even more than the rest of us because they lived it as young teenagers.

Absolutely, in my opinion B/B+ students are actually often happier in HS, have more of a social life since they grind less, and still go to good colleges more often than not, and end up in great careers. Assuming you are not on academic probation struggling to keep the grades high enough to stay, I don’t see a problem with it. And sometimes these kids spend the extra time developing or nurturing their hooks which provide great opportunities for them (athletics is the prime example but there are lots of other things too).
And for the record, they can go anywhere including the Ivies assuming they have a strong enough hook and good test scores. From my older kid’s prep school class, there were B/B+ kids ended up at Yale and Princeton, respectively. Others went to smaller SLACs or a variety of public universities, but all very good schools providing ton of opportunities.

@enpassant2019 I am praying now that my 2024 doesn’t get accepted to one school. Yep. For us, It’s not about being the bottom of the class or social acceptance. It’s about turning and churning kids before they have the chance to grow and explore. It’s about letting kids grow as flowers. Hey, a bonsai is beautiful but it’s manicured every day and never left alone. It’s the same with kids. They need to find their own passions. Confidence is truly important and if they lose it in high school because they take on too much or are swimming among sharks when they just want to be fish. Bad things can happen. I know my kid is not a shark. (Lots of analogies here) So I want to protect them from this kind of environment. For that reason, a NO on 3/10 would be a good thing.
I wonder how many parents are thinking the same thing? For various reasons.

B/B+ belongs to a bottom half? What inflation!

It is bottom half, and I don’t see it as grade inflation. The bs population is filled with high achieving, smart kids who work hard. If the bottom half is doing good work, work that deserves a B+, then that’s what they should get. This isn’t a weed out class, being graded on a curve, so that a certain percentage get a low grade despite the standard of the work.

@cinnamon1212 I think schools vary in terms of grade inflation/deflation. And yes, I also think many kids are overachievers. But if a school has mainly A’s then there’s enormous grade inflation. This is problematic for all. Those who are truly the A students get lumped in with all the rest. And those who aren’t as hard-working/academically inclined get the same grades. We experienced this in public school and my kids hated it. It was the primary reason we looked at private school options. We wanted our kids to be challenged.
Grade inflation is another reason, I favor standardized testing. There are just too many “competitive” schools where the average is an A-. And then you have BS where kids have to work really hard to be in that range.
Apparently, AO’s know each school. But grade inflation can work for applicants when they apply to college. Perhaps, that’s why it is done.

It is quite shocking when reading out on the college part of CC the number of kids with a 4.0++ GPA but a 1300 SAT. Surely that says something to college AOs as ALLLLL those kids can’t just be “bad test takers.” If they are just bad test takers how did they take all the tests in highschool necessary for the 4.5 GPA?

@one1ofeach Maybe another reason, colleges should be looking at tests more closely rather than less closely. Especially given how many kids are allowed extra time due to processing and other issues.
Honestly, why not let kids take as much time as they need and then score it. And frankly, how do they do so well on the tests at the school to maintain such a high GPA but can’t test on standardized tests due to nerves? Hmm. Maybe a handful. But so many?
Let’s just hope AO of the college your kid applies to, know your kids’ BS and its rigor.

Yes, let’s hope! I guess I will know next year around this time. I am not looking forward to next fall AT ALL.

I am continually amazed by the accommodations, especially since I know kids who have actual, real learning issues. One kid told me “my tutor couldn’t understand why I wasn’t doing better on the test because he thinks I’m really smart so he got me an accommodation.” When my daughter found out (she had been in school with this kid for 7 years) she was so annoyed. He was bragging about his SSAT score to everyone after getting an extra hour to take it. I wonder what the tutor’s motivation was? Perhaps the mom of said boy paying a lot of money and not getting the result she wanted?

It is not inflation more the fact that the competitive boarding schools don’t tend to keep C students. At ours you have to keep B- average at least to maintain athletic eligibility, and C+ puts you on academic probation. If you can’t get your grades up in that scenario you will end up leaving or not getting the contract to return.

Give everyone as much time as they need on standardized tests.

Most kids are able to finish in the time alotted. Letting them have have more time don’t magically help them know the answers. But it would greatly reduce the stress and level the playing field between those with the $ and know-how to push for accommodations and those without.