Bay, what about universal background checks?
What about the parents of the 11-year-old? Their failure to secure their gun resulted in the death of a child. They’re not criminals according to the lax rules in their state, but should they be? Or is this just the sort of unfortunate incident that’s unavoidable in a country flooded with guns, and populated by “responsible gun owners”?
Just as a pit bull momma, can we refrain from even entering pits into the same convo as guns?
Carry on.
The poor little 8 year old is just collateral damage to the gun nuts. Their 2nd Amendment rights are way more important then people’s lives. They simply don’t care.
The kid who shot the other is… It’s illegal to murder people.
Right, well, it’s questionable whether an 11-year-old has capacity, but that’s another thread.
How about answering my question.
It seems as though most of the young men shooters have no stable family life, this guy and some of the others have no father in the home. From Columbine to Sandy Hook, to Charleston, to Roseburg, the parents of these very disturbed sons were irresponsible in the extreme. Unfortunately, there is no legislation that can cure this.
Romani, I once made the mistake of googling images of pit bull attacks then wished I could unsee the photos of the children with their faces ripped off. Someone once said to me about a man with his pit bull at our kids’ soccer game, “bringing that dog is like bringing a loaded gun to a playground,” which imprinted the analogy in my mind. I’m sure your dogs have been raised well and right, but not everyone’s are.
I don’t really know what the answer should be, but there are answers that people can give that I can tell shouldn’t be the answer. “Decades in prison” for not locking up your firearms doesn’t make sense.
One that might make sense is seizure of all firearms from parents where a child under the age of 13 (I picked one that sounds reasonable but maybe that could be adjusted one way or the other) living there uses one of the firearms to commit a crime for as long as there are any children under the age of 18 living there.
Not to derail the topic to far, but pit bulls aren’t an especially violet breed. They’re just stronger than most breeds. A lab for instance just can’t kill a human, they’re just not strong enough. But a pit bull can. A lot of people seem to be under the impression that pit bulls are just a violent breed, which isn’t true.
I know I’ve heard they are not necessarily violent, but some of them have been, as have other breeds. Big dogs I didn’t know in general always made me nervous around my young kids.
Carson also said he wasn’t planning to meet the survivors of the Oregon shooting, because his schedule doesn’t permit it, but that he’ll do it the “next time.” How generous of him. I guess he knows that there will be a next time. Probably sooner rather than later.
maybe we could compare alcohol deaths vs. gun deaths and apply what we do to control alcohol to guns?
why should you be able to have a pet that is more likely to attack a human than other similar pets? Sure, if you use the pit bull correctly, it will not harm anyone, but if it is misused, it is very deadly.
perhaps you should only be legally allowed to own a safer pet?
that would be better for society, right?
Next time? Oh my, what an unfortunate choice of words.
Lots of cities and states have bans on certain dogs. Also many require owner to carry liability insurance and owner must be 21. See US in link.
Does anyone know what the #1 and #2 causes of preventable death are in the US?
Clue: They kill many, many times more people each year than what you’re discussing.
I’d like to know how that’s going to happen.
Southern Oregon University, a little over 100 miles away from UCC has this on their website:
“Due to an unconfirmed threat currently under investigation by Ashland Police Department, the main SOU Ashland campus will be closed Wednesday, October 7th. Classes and other activities on Ashland campus are cancelled. The Higher Education Center in Medford is not impacted and will remain open.”
This is my husband and my alma mater. I was the Alumni Director about 10 years ago.
Well, if that were implemented probably a voluntary surrender and if they were caught with firearms afterwards there’s be some criminal charge.
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Source/quote for this statement?
New York Timies has it in quotes. It doesn’t say where he said it, but there is a reference earlier in the article to a Facebook chat where he made his initial comments about rushing the shooter. This does sound like a possible follow up quote, though, in response to his comment that he would be too busy to go to Oregon. They fact check all quotes – and he isn’t saying now that he didn’t say it. He said it,