@bearpanther That’s an excellent article! It goes to shows you how our fixation on gun control is actually harming not helping.
All gun sales should go through a federally licensed dealer. That dealer will do the required background check.
No direct sales over the internet.
No direct sales at gun shows.
No direct one on one sales of firearms between people.
I think we could start there.
Do you really believe you speak for all parents here or is that just a comfortable cliche?
Okay, I will amend it to most. At least most moms.
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Although that is a direct reversal over what you just said, I’m glad you agree.
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Not a reversal. I pointed out twice that there isn’t going to be government takeover. Again, whatever that means.
But if you agree., why do we need all the guns to protect us from the government?
Really, JustOneDad? Really? Regardless of which side of the gun argument a person is on, to imply that there are parents who wouldn’t find the vision of a dead and bloodied six year old murdered in a classroom is to insult those parents. I’ll go further out on the limb than Knitkneelionmom went: I think any normal parent would find such a vision haunting, and if a parent isn’t moved by such a thought, there’s something wrong with him/her.
This has nothing to do with what a person thinks of the gun debate. “Comfortable cliche”? Do you even hear yourself? What’s comfortable about being haunted by the violent death of an innocent child? Pro or against, if you’re not moved by those children, there is something wrong.
No, I’m not a parent. So, you are saying that becoming a parent makes one become emotionally traumatized by the death of any child anywhere in the world, so long as they hear of it? The death of any child in the world that they hear of haunts their minds with the images of their faces? It’s a bit hard to imagine.
For lower income people, in a financial pinch a lot of these people have to turn either to payday lenders or pawn shops. One of the major items people pawn in most states (in some states I think you can’t pawn firearms but in most states I think you can) are firearms, and pawning is financially a much better idea than payday loans. So legislation of this nature is really discriminatory and harmful to lower income people.
I’m not really sure what the deal with the background check is. When I bought my gun I went to a store, I pay up front for the gun, they tell me to return after a few days after a background check has been done. I did and then they gave it to me. Is that not the process in every state? What exactly is the deal with background checks that everyone’s talking about? Is it that the background check doesn’t check enough things or what exactly is the issue here? I see people mention background checks a lot but not many specifics. The only thing I’ve heard specifically is that there’s an issue in South Carolina where that if the background check hasn’t gone through after 3 days, the background check is allowed to be skipped or something of that nature.
It’s not necessarily our government. Part of the reason we weren’t invaded by the Japanese in WWII was because our populace is so heavily armed, that even in the event of military decimation, we would still be able to defend the land. Even if it never occurs that ordinary people have to take up arms to defend from foreign invaders, the idea that we could helps us.
Did anyone see this editorial by People magazine? Not your typical magazine to get involved in the politics of this issue, but they seem to have had enough of covering these incidents and the aftermaths:
http://www.people.com/article/preventing-gun-violence-people-call-to-action-jess-cagle
"In this week’s issue of PEOPLE, Editorial Director Jess Cagle used his Editor’s Letter to address the frequency of mass shootings in America. Below, we have published Cagle’s letter, and also provided contact information for all 535 voting members of the House and Senate. We urge readers to contact their elected representatives to make their voices heard.
On Oct. 1, after a madman killed nine victims at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore., we covered every horrible development of the story on people.com, and we began planning our coverage of the massacre for this issue of the magazine. It’s so heartbreaking and infuriating to think how many times over the years we’ve done exactly this—reaching out to victims’ families and survivors of mass shootings, gathering details about the fallen.
As President Obama said, our responses to these incidents – from politicians, from the media, from nearly everyone – have become “routine.” We all ask ourselves the same questions: How could it happen again?..
In this issue we pay tribute to the nine Oregon victims, as well as 22 other men, women and children who’ve lost their lives in mass shootings – incidents where a murderer has opened fire on a crowd – in the U.S. during the past 12 months.
That definition of “mass shooting” is pretty narrow; the number of victims skyrockets if you count other types of multiple shootings like domestic violence and murder-suicides. So far this year, according to the Gun Violence Archive, there have been 10,006 gun-related deaths in the United States, and the CDC says firearm injuries and deaths are “a significant public health problem.”
They then list the contact information for every member of Congress.
Becoming a parent makes most people more empathetic. In fact, I think it is the making of most human beings.
Okay, so why turn on the news? Why go online? You can’t be haunted by deaths that you don’t know have happened, and you don’t want to be haunted by these deaths right? Seems masochistic to hear the news under those circumstances.
Most of the people I know still are shaken up by Sandy Hook. We are adult enough to know that other horrible things happen in the world. However, the parents I know and myself, see our children in those first graders. Stop trying to tell me what my feelings are.
I dunno. Is it a trick question?
It seems to ask and answer itself.
I’m a pretty unemotional, rational, clear-headed person, but even I am still shaken by the deaths of those children at Sandy Hook - and yes, the thought of their last minutes haunts me.
Really? You can look at these faces and read their stories and stay unmoved?
Because part of my responsibility to my kids and future generations is to make the world a safer place for them. Unless I am very well informed (and I am a bit of a news junkie), I can’t do that. Your self centered view will shift at least a little if you ever have children. Of course… many young women (certainly my Ds) would think a guy who keeps a loaded gun handy isn’t a suitable life partner. So you have to find someone to have kids with first.
So many other countries have successfully enacted strict gun control laws and reduced the incidences of mass shootings, along with other incidences of gun violence. We are not a different species if I remember my biology correctly. The sad fact is that gun owners don’t care about gun violence and only about their right being unfettered by pesky things like regulations. They make a big deal about praying for the dead but it’s all a phoney act. If they cared at all they would work with the other side on passing legislation. They should all read what their Saint, Ronald Reagan, said about gun regulation. Of course gun owners were saner then.
I’m not aware of that history. Maybe you could very specifically point to your documentation for that theory.
I just googled it and apparently I was basing it off of a quote that wasn’t actually said… But the quote that I believed this guy said was “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.”
How about they couldnt invade so easily because of this huge thing called an ocean between us.
Britain invaded in the war of 1812. And we’ve invaded overseas countries. It’s not impossible to invade a country on a different continent.
@hayden I have to assume that the phrase “such a vision haunting” was what you left out of your “finding” in the sentence above. What I think is that normal people in good mental health who can accurately evaluate life’s daily risks aren’t “haunted” by an unconnected event that occurred three years ago. In fact, if you (as an unconnected person) find that event still affecting your daily life, you might want to see a counselor or mental health professional.