My Obama bubble is burst. He smokes.

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<p>STRESS + HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE + SMOKING + 45 yrs years plus of age = HEART ATTACKS</p>

<p>Cheney started having his about then</p>

<p>No President since LBJ has been a cigarette smoker - and he dropped dead right after leaving office</p>

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<p>The stress Obama fears most:</p>

<p><a href=“http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/money_politics_law/assets/hillary_clinton.jpg[/url]”>http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/money_politics_law/assets/hillary_clinton.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I’d point out that Senator Obama’s in much better shape than Cheney or LBJ were at that age. If you’re going to go with the health angle, I’d look into how often/much he smokes.</p>

<p>I hear cocaine and alcohol abuse can be hell on your heart as well. The current president seems to be going strong nonetheless.</p>

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<p>What is with you and Senator Clinton, Citation X? Seriously. Do you live in New York? Do you feel she is not representing you appropriately in the Senate, as a New Yorker? If so, then perhaps you shouldn’t vote for her when you come of age. That might be more effective than posting goofy pictures.</p>

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<p>Obama’s an ex-coke head - he’s written about it in his books</p>

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You are speculating.</p>

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<p>“Obama’s an ex-coke head - he’s written about it in his books”</p>

<p>So?</p>

<p>So was bush. But at least Obama is being honest about his ‘youthful indiscretions.’</p>

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<p>Obama has passion, and he seems genuine and honest. How refreshing, after Kerry with no passion and bush with no integrity.</p>

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<p>“that Bill Clinton would be gritting his teeth whilst staring down at the top of Monica’s bowing dome, would you have still voted for him?”</p>

<p>Of course I would have. That was nobody’s business except Hillary’s.</p>

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<p>“Obama has passion, and he seems genuine and honest. How refreshing, after Kerry with no passion and bush with no integrity”…and Clinton with no shame, but I digress. It is what it is…or it is what “is” is when it is “genuine and honest” and loaded with “integrity.” Is, it is.</p>

<p>Ah…straight talk!</p>

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…of course you would have.</p>

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<p>Funny how repubs. can only point the finger at Clinton for his marital infidelity. They are at a loss to come up with anything better than that. I abhor adultery, but that does not make him a bad president. How many other presidents have been guilty of the same? Most of them! As well as many, if not most, powerful successful men. That does not make it ok, but neither does it make them unsuitable for the job. Would you quit going to your doctor if you found out he’d had an affair? Do you ask him that question before he operates on you?</p>

<p>What really amazes me is that people think Clinton should feel ‘shame’ for a marital indiscretion (something that is nobody’s business except Hillary’s) but they don’t expect bush to feel any shame about all the people who have DIED as a result of his war which was started under FALSE PRETENSES.</p>

<p>bush has lied repeatedly, many more times than Clinton, and about matters that DIRECTLY AFFECT THIS COUNTRY, NOT JUST HIS WIFE.</p>

<p>How HYPOCRITICAL to be so self-righteous about this one thing that Clinton did, but ignore all the (far worse) things that bush has done.</p>

<p>No one died when Clinton lied.</p>

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<p>Meanwhile, Newt deserted two sick wives to take up with his sweeties. Now that’s sick. Rudy carried on a long affair at taxpayers’ expense in the Mayor’s mansion, with his wife and kids there. These are the standard bearers of the Party of Stay the Course and Family Values.</p>

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<p>Right! And there are MANY other examples too, of Republicans who have had affairs and left their wives for younger, prettier women.</p>

<p>And Hillary stays with her man - she forgives him (isn’t forgiveness a Christian virtue?) - their marriage SURVIVED - and they get blamed for that???</p>

<p>What hypocrisy!</p>

<p>‘Family values?’ it’s hypocritical and it’s just propaganda. The churches have become so politicized that people are just latching on to this one thing and not seeing anything else. That’s how propaganda works.</p>

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<p>Adultery? </p>

<p>Sure…it’s a tradition amongst Democrats. No big.</p>

<p>However, 4 separate women (all Democrats at the time) accusing the adulterer-n-chief of raping them kind of puts a different spin on “adultery,” and “between him and Hilary.” </p>

<p>As to Senator Obama, I’m on record as liking the guy…good looking, Ivy-educated, articulate…claims to LOVE the Church…and–so far–no rape allegations by former colleagues and staff: that’s gotta be worth something in the party of family values (wait a minute, am I getting the parties mixed-up? That’s the other party isn’t it. …could actually be a deficit, yikes!).</p>

<p>The next best thing the Democrats have to offer: Gore…Kerry…Kucinich: Political munchkins! </p>

<p>Besides, Obama smokes…that’s chill!</p>

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Is that in the hymnal, because that does not fit the rhyme pattern of: “hey, hey, ho, ho…la de da…de da de da: hey, hey…</p>

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<p>Has anyone read that book about the bush admin. scam? It’s new and it’s called something Faith, can’t remember the exact title. It’s about how behind the scenes bush & cheney ridicule their Christian base. What a scam.</p>

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<p>Raping them??? That’s the first I’ve ever heard of that! </p>

<p>Anyway, you didn’t address the issue of how many people have DIED because of bush’s lies.</p>

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<p>Yeah…rape. I believe even the moral relativists crowd think rape is <em>usually</em> wrong (don’t want to be an absolutist, if you know what I mean).</p>

<p>Re “lies”:
look up the word in the dictionary and get back to us on what “lies” (appropriate to the term) you are talking about. Perhaps, while you are there, you could take a spin over in the “R” section to refamiliarize yourself with “rape.”</p>

<p>Then, try google: …Clinton and Rape…</p>

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<p>Aren’t you bored of the old Clinton canard, yet?</p>

<p>It’s so yesterday.</p>

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<p>Then, try google: Clinton and Rape…</p>

<p>Then you can try “Reagan and Rape”.</p>

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<p>I believe most politicians can be guilty of many things. Clearly Clinton was guilty in the Lewinsky thing, and probably Flowers as well. Clearly Gingrich and Giuliani did what has been mentioned here, because they’ve admitted it. But I’ve always had a problem with many of the rape allegations against Clinton. The one that got the most play was the women who worked either for him, or for his campaign. She said he barged into her hotel room, immediately raped her without provocation, then left without saying anything to her. Now, think about who we’re dealing with. People have pointed out for years that Clinton’s weakness is his need to be loved. Even his opponents have said that when he speaks to people, he practically seduces them verbally. Yet he barges into a room, rapes her, then leaves without a word? It’s just not part of who he seems to be. (Plus this woman both continued to work for him and speak well of him after the alleged incident.) I remember so many of his opponents were convinced without a shadow of a doubt that he had a child by a black prostitute, until the DNA cleared him. So without any further evidence, it’s just hard for me to accept this story that seems so contrary to everything else that is known about Clinton. For starters, the idea that he could be with anyone without talking to them is just out of the realm of possibility !!</p>

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<p>“Plus this woman both continued to work for him and speak well of him after the alleged incident”</p>

<p>That says it all. No woman would continue to work for someone who raped her!!</p>

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<p>Here is a balanced account of both sides of the Clinton/Broaddrick issue.
<a href=“http://www.slate.com/id/1002027/[/url]”>http://www.slate.com/id/1002027/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Note that things didn’t happen exactly as Hayden implied - there were words spoken and as far as “working for Clinton” afterward, Broaddrick addresses that in her open letter to Hillary here:
<a href=“http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Juanita.htm[/url]”>http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Juanita.htm&lt;/a&gt;

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<p>Having seen the original interviews on TV, both Broaddrick and Willey are telling the truth or they deserve academy awards for acting because they sure seemed credible to me.</p>