My school is essentially unwilling to provide me with a different schedule -- what should I do?

Hello, all.

I am enrolled to attend a City University of New York community college beginning this fall in pursuit of a degree in business administration. Because I am from out-of-state, I am undertaking more than twice the amount of debt that a student at this school averages because I have no choice other than to pay my rent with student loans as opposed to living at home. However, because I want to graduate with as little student debt as possible, I had intended to work for six hours each day. I made this very clear to my financial counselor and to my admissions counselor when I applied to this school. I was made to believe that this would not be a problem.

I had intended to move to New York at the end of June, ahead of orientation, which would have provided me with the time to find work and settle in. Instead, I returned home because of some medical issues involving my parents and will not return to New York until the end of this week. At orientation, they said that we would receive our schedules on August 1 (we did not receive them until Friday, though that is inconsequential) and that the schedules could not be changed without an official validation. This was not a red flag for me at the time as I thought that my choice in schedule was fairly safe and at the very least, the early reassurances from my counselors could serve in my favor. However, they have made it very clear that not only must I explain my reason for requesting a schedule change request (my reasoning is pasted below), but I must also submit an official letter or document of validation for my request.

I worry because the only given examples for why one may request a schedule change “includes but is not limited to medical verification, proof of need for child care, and religious observance.” Despite employment seeming like a fairly obvious reason in my opinion, it is not listed. The language gives me some wiggle room, but because I do not yet have secured employment, I cannot provide validation. “Requests without supporting documentation will not be reviewed.” means that I am caught between a rock and a hard place. I had selected a smaller school because, in my experience, smaller schools tend to treat the students more personally but this is not the case at all. I can’t transfer this late into the year and I can’t go home until the next semester, so the only thing I can do is find a loophole. The only firm thing that I could think of would be getting my parents to sign a letter on their businesses letterhead stating that I need to be available during certain afternoon hours. That leaves room to ask questions though. The religious exemption seems to be my next best bet, but I really do not like to lie about my religious beliefs for personal benefit as it seems disrespectful to true practitioners. However, I’m desperate and religion cannot be unreasonably questioned, legally.

Has anyone ever been in this situation? What did you do?

What I wrote, so far:
“I am requesting a change in my given schedule because, as an out-of-state student, I am taking on significantly more debt than the average [SCHOOL] student and will need to be able to work for a certain period of time each day equal to or greater than six hours each weekday. If my classes were to end at 6:15 p.m. each day and my work were to begin immediately afterward (which is obviously not realistic), I would not be returning home until nearly 1:00 a.m. each morning. Essentially, I would be unable to meet the work stipulation set for me. While it is too late to transfer to another school that could accommodate my needs at this time, I would be all but forced to do so in the next semester as over an academic year, the difference in debt would equate to roughly $10,000.00 or a $16,000.00 vs. $6,000.00. Though I chose to attend [SCHOOL] because of it’s outstanding progress and innovation in the offered academic categories and fields, I am simply unwilling to graduate with thrice the amount of debt necessary because of an uncooperative schedule. I do understand that this request is not to be undertaken lightly and that because of the number of students entering this school during this academic period, it is impossible to provide each and all of them with their desired schedule but I truly feel as though the circumstances for which I am requesting this change are unique, genuine, and viable.”

I’m confused. Did you not get the classes you requested? Dd they give you alternates? If they gave you the classes you signed up for it may be that they do not offer them at other times. If you need to find a job then you need to find one that works around school. This may be an issue time and time again with each semester.

Colleges will not rearrange their schedules to suit you, you will need to rearrange things to fit their needs.

Why would you go out-of-state to a community college in New York?

Your major, business administration, is available at schools all over the country. Is there no school at which you would have been eligible for in-state tuition rates and/or financial aid? This whole plan seems to have a lot of unnecessary financial risk.

Did you go to NY to go to school, or to work?
That’s the question.

The professors are only available for so many hours per day; they work when they work. They are not going to work around one student’s hours. Why would you think that?

It’s not a problem.
It doesn’t matter that your financial counselor knew you had to work 6 hours per day; to them, normal students typically find work, around their coursework, advising their employers about college hours. Employers tend to schedule you around your class hours. That’s what normally is done and is usually not a problem because students realize that college comes first.

As a student, you applied to an expensive OOS community college which does not fund OOS students. That debt you are incurring is on you. NY is a 24 hour town, there are always available work hours.

So if you went to NY to work, then your options are to quit school and work around your schedule.
If you went to NY to go to school, you have to accommodate your work schedule to fit your class schedule.

This is not a tough situation.

I would advise against requesting a schedule change. You may end up with no classes (yes, they get full) and then you’d have plenty of time to find work.

Even if you manage to find a way to change your schedule (hopefully without lying), I think it’s nuts to think you can work 6 hours every weekday while taking a full semester of classes without failing at one or both endeavors. Consider cutting back on your planned work hours. And even though you probably want to spend the weekends socializing and taking advantage of NYC, there’s no reason why a good chunk of your intended work hours can’t be done on Saturday and Sunday so that you can attend classes according to your assigned schedule.

I suspect what’s happening here is that you really, really wanted to be in New York City and made unwise financial and academic decisions to achieve that goal. It’s hard to believe your parents went along with this. But for sure the college isn’t going to twist itself into a pretzel to accommodate your plan to live it up in the Big Apple, and I find it hard to believe a job you take on voluntarily will qualify for a schedule change, since the listed examples seem to be circumstances out of the student’s control. “I enrolled in a school I can’t afford and now I need to work crazy hours to pay for it because I don’t want to take out a loan” is not comparable to those examples, nor do your circumstances sound at all “unique, genuine, and viable”.

Let me see if I understand this…

You DELIBERATELY chose to attend a community college in one of the most expensive cities in the whole world, as a non-resident, where you knew you would have to work at least 6 hours a day every workday to pay the higher OOS tuition. AND on top of the 6-hour/day workweek, you are taking on debt. Why???

This is madness.

I think you should seriously reconsider going to this school.

Actually, you did- and do- have choices.

For a start, you can look at your actual schedule and drop any classes that don’t fit your work schedule for a 100% refund if the class hasn’t started yet (no permission or explanations needed).

But wait: you don’t have a work schedule yet so you don’t even know what schedule you want, yet you want them to change your schedule to suit you.

You seem to have "6 hours’ in your head as the amount of time you need to work to make ends meet- but 6 hours at what level of pay? How much you earn per hour varies by job. A job with a lot of tipping involved is likely to make more than minimum wage. What work schedule you have varies by job as well: split shifts (in restaurants, for example) exist. Telecommuting jobs exist. Piecework jobs exist.

Going to college part time also exists, which is what most people who need to work full time do.

As @“aunt bea” said, you chose to go to an OOS Community College. It is not their job to rearrange the college for you, nor do they owe you anything special because you wanted to move to NY. They exist to serve NY residents.

Is more of the problem.

It seems that this college is not going to be affordable for you to attend. Find out how to unenroll. What monies can you get back? You will probably lose some deposit money…

Your end goal is not attending this particular college, in this particular town. Getting an education that will serve you well in your field of interest, a degree that will pave the way into your chosen career should be your focus.

There is more than one school that can provide you with an education. Maybe you take a gap year, work to save money, and try again next year. Maybe you find a school that is closer to home.

There is no reason to pay OOS rates for a community college. And especially near NYC. Too expensive, too much stress for a college student to take on.

Can you un-enroll? Have ypupaid a housing deposit? If you need a loan and $200 a week in waged, this college is not affordable.
The most a full-time student can work is 12-15 hours a week, after that it affects grades. And you can’t ever erase those grades - they gobibro a national clearinghouse and follow you for the rest of your life, so, if you tank your grades you’ll be stuck.
In addition, cuny schools are notoriously unwieldy and unaccomodating.
If I understand correctly, they scheduled a class 5-6:15pm.
If a cuny cc, look on cunyfirst for sections offered on Saturday and Sunday. Those tend to fill later.
Finally, have you worked before, held a job? How many hours a week? What was your hs GPA?

I agree with the advice you’ve been given.

However, just for your own information and for anyone for whom it’s relevant “including, but not limited to” means just that. The list that follows is representative examples, not the complete list of possibilities. So from their language, you can conclude that there can be other acceptable reasons besides medical need, child care or religious observance, but the reasons will have to be equally important. Your reason probably doesn’t cut it. CUNY schools are full of students who work and who make their work schedules fit around their class schedules.

Are the classes you want even available at the times you would like?

Agree that it is silly to complain that the schedule doesn’t fit your work schedule when you don’t have a job. And why is that letter to the community college so long? Get to the point. Were you hoping for a schedule of all-morning classes or only evening classes? Remove the moaning about the debt and remind them about the schedule you were hoping to get. I also think that you should reconsider attending school this fall until you can find a job, save some money, and then sign up for classes that fit your job schedule.

And remember that cc 's in NYC offer Saturday AND Sunday classes if your evening class is inconvenient.