my transcript of the SOTU address

<p>Xiggi:</p>

<p>Where were you during Cinton’s second term when the sum total of the Republican agenda consisted of demonizing Bill Clinton?</p>

<p>American elections are a referendum on the performance of the current officeholders, not a comparison of foward-looking agendas. The electorate makes a simple decision: Am I happy enough with the current bums to keep them around a little longer or do I want to throw those bums out and try the other bums for a while? The “agendas” of the two parties consist entirely of attacking the opposition because that deflects attention from their own real motivations (raising money from special interest groups in exchange for policies favoring those groups). Anyone who attributes “moral superiority” to either party is sadly mistaken.</p>

<p>I am not sure if you are fully aware of my positions on the issues you proposed. I did not answer the SS part because I have yet to formulate an opinion on that one. One item worth considering would be the imposition of severe limits on all government pensions in both eligibility and amount disbursed. A nice number would be 200% of the salary paid to a starting teachers. </p>

<p>“(1) Total tax revenues = total government spending + a little more to start paying down the massive debt run up by the Reagan, Bush and Bush administrations. How to do it? Tax all sources of income (wages, dividends, capital gains) equally but with modestly progressive rates, and adjust only to make the above formula hold true, not to pander.”</p>

<p>While this does not mean I understand the issues 1 and 3 any better, I find your two proposals to represent a good start for a dialogue. I know that you include several items of double taxation -which you know I oppose- but I would gladly let you have it, it the plan included drastic reduction in government spending and a privatization of all non-essential services. For instance, jumping a bit to item number 3, a good start would be the closing of almost all government energy labs. The reduction of the size of the government could also allow the sale of quite a bit of (mis)used government owned properties. Selling excess properties could make a substantial dent in our national deficit or shore up our revenues.</p>

<p>Overall, I believe in raising our taxes substantially -for instance to make education a non-unionized federal responsibility - but only if we also proceed to “starve the beast” and reduce the size of our government. </p>

<p>(3) Want something more than lip service about the very real addiction to oil? How about phasing in a $2 per gallon gasoline tax over five years, and use all that cash to actually develop and implement alternative energy and transportation solutions to everyday living needs?</p>

<p>If you go back a few months ago you’ll find that I proposed a $3 gasoline tax for a similar purpose. We SHOULD pay $5.00 a gallon now as we can use the money for specific purposes, or we could wait another 20-30 years and pay a lot more.</p>

<p>Correct Link:
<a href=“http://www.collegeconfidential.com/discus/messages/70/80478.html[/url]”>http://www.collegeconfidential.com/discus/messages/70/80478.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Okay, CARPETBAGGER, I am assuming you are referring to Bush, who was an New England raised and educated person who moved to Texas</p>

<p>Xiggi - I wasn’t arguing with you, or projecting any particular opinions onto you. I appreciate that you’re investigating and thinking about this stuff, and I wouldn’t presume to pigeonhole you as holding particular views just because you don’t like Democrat politicians. (That kind of tactic is Driver’s territory.) </p>

<p>It’s an interesting thread you started back in 2004 (I didn’t read all of it.) But the “1968 liberals” article Driver linked to last week got me to thinking about the accusation that liberals “always” think that government intervention is best. You know, that is false - both as to the concept and the attribution of a belief in it to liberals. But the converse - that government involvement is always bad - is equally false as a generality, yet it seems at times as if it is uncritically believed by “non-liberals.” So I can’t agree with your proposition that all funds raised through a gas tax should be spent in the private sector, and none by government, for a couple of reasons. First, basic work is frequently done well by government agencies. (Consider the genesis of the Internet.) Second, the best answers to the energy and transportation problems may not be the ones which generate the most profits for large corporations. If not, they’re likely not merely to get short shrift, but to be the subject of negative propaganda and subtle PR designed to turn the public off to them. Consider: one very good means of generating electricity - pollution free, widely distributed so as to help balance the grid, and generating power at the peak power usage times (at least here in Califonia) is roof-mounted photovoltaic. The problem? It’s pretty simple technology. Once you get past the wafer manufacturing stage pretty much anyone can produce the panels and mount them on the buildings, and the electronic parts are close to commodity level, too. And once they’re installed, there’s no future income stream to anyone. So if no company can corner the market, the overall profit prospects for any company involved in the business, long term, aren’t really too dramatic, at least by Chevron/Exxon standards. Hydrogen, though, and the infrastructure and ongoing income stream from storing and supplying it - ahh, there’s something to bring a gleam to a venture capitalist’s eye. Which of those has gotten all the “sexy” press lately? And why do you suppose that is? </p>

<p>Public transportation, of the type taken for granted in a few highly urbanized areas of the US, and most of the rest of the industrialized world, may well be a part of the answer, but it typically isn’t a gold mine for the private sector. In order to be truly useful, public transportation needs to be built up to the point where people can actually rely on it to get them where they need to go, when they need to get there. That requires a significant commitment to consistent funding, which never seems to happen here. But a lot of money is spent on sexy car ads touting the latest SUV every time you turn on your TV. Battery powered electric cars - Did you know that there was a waiting list for the darn things while they were (briefly) available? That electric RAV-4’s - the only commercial model you could actually buy - are being resold for a $20,000+ premium over gas models? So why does everyone have this vague understanding that they were discontinued because there was “no demand” for them? GM’s EV-1 could only be leased, and when the leases were up, they wouldn’t let anyone keep them, but took them out in the desert and crushed them. What was that all about, anyway? The government didn’t make them do it.</p>

<p>So, bottom line, like most things, there’s a balance to be struck. Don’t dogmatically cling to one answer to a large and complex problem. Chances are the answer will involve many and varied elements. In this case, involvement of both private and public sectors.</p>

<p>As to “drastic reduction in government spending and a privatization of all non-essential services”<br>
Here’s a link to a site with a nice bar chart of federal expenditures: <a href=“federalbudget.com - federalbudget Resources and Information.”>federalbudget.com - federalbudget Resources and Information.; (I’m not endorsing the site - I haven’t even figured out exactly what it is they’re for and against - but the bar chart is nice.) Look that over, and ask yourself just how much you would “reduce the size of government” even if you closed everything you considered “non-essential.” </p>

<p>How much do you propose to spend on education? Through what level? K-12? BA? Doctoral? Preschool?</p>

<p>“Okay, CARPETBAGGER, I am assuming you are referring to Bush, who was an New England raised and educated person who moved to Texas”</p>

<p>CGM, does the term “adult life” mean anything to you?</p>

<p>Kluge, thank you for the detailed reply. </p>

<p>I am not planning to take any of my positions to the grave … they represent mostly a starting point for further discussions. Some of them are worth digging my philosophical heels into the ground, others are wide open for concessions. </p>

<p>As far as “How much do you propose to spend on education? Through what level? K-12? BA? Doctoral? Preschool?” I am afraid that it will take me a while to come up with a reasonable number. Gimme a few years! :slight_smile: </p>

<p>At first blush, I would say that we do a lot better at the end of both ranges than in the middle. As a country, we seem to do well for the years before middle school and in higher education, where access and affordability play a larger role than quality. How much would it take to increase the quality of middle and high school education and ensure a wider access to higher education is highly speculative. However, I do not doubt that we could use the benefits of mixing expanded funding and increased accountability.</p>

<p>PS Very nice chart indeed. Thank you!</p>

<p>Nice work, TheDad!</p>

<p>I haven’t been able to watch W ever since the Supremes put us well on the road to a fascist state. I see red and get sick to my stomach - since I haven’t yet mastered the spell to make him disappear, I prefer to avoid the adrenalin surges. I did read the text of the speech in the Post, through the depressing miasma of yet another downer, one more Red on the court. </p>

<p>To quote Gary Larson “Well this is just going from bad to worse.”</p>

<p>“since the Supremes put us well on the road to a fascist state.”</p>

<p>Oh I agree … Florence Ballard, Scherrie Payne, Diana Ross, Susaye Greene, Lynda Laurence, Mary Wilson, Cindy Birdsong, and Jean Terrell were such rebels. </p>

<p>That Diana Ross dictator is especially responsible for our current system of stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and our policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.</p>

<p>From an email I got today:</p>

<p>This year, both Groundhog Day and the State of the
Union Address fall on the same week. As Air America
Radio just pointed out, “It is an ironic
juxtaposition: one involves a meaningless ritual in
which we look to a creature of little intelligence for
prognostication, and the other involves a groundhog.”</p>

<p>hehehehe</p>

<p>yep, and I trust the ground hog’s prognosis for the future more than the others</p>