<p>Oh, yes it is, celloguy.</p>
<p>P.S. Sex is not new. :)</p>
<p>The point is, hh, it’s there. As a previous parent pointed out, even a religious college had a naked soccer game. </p>
<p>I raised my kids with solid morals, and they have never disappointed me. I have never felt like the places they went to school would lead them to behavior that would go against what they know is right. And so far, I have been nothing but proud.</p>
<p>so, nudity = immorality? Ummm … says who?</p>
<p>Thanks, garland, but sadly <em>you</em> missed the point completely.</p>
<p>In my world- while I do expect at times to give guidance to my adult daughter if she asks for it ( and even sometimes when she doesn’t ask for it)
I also do not expect for her every decision to mimic mine & I will not make a statement that she is immoral or unethical just because she makes a different decision or has a different perspective.</p>
<p>I do know parents who decide quite a bit for their students when they are 20…21…22?
But when does it stop? When does the parent decide that their child has the maturity and skills to make their own decisions?
When they are clones of the parents?</p>
<p>Not when they’re having naked parties at college (to learn to appreciate others’ bodies in a non-sexual way, LOL), ek. Or let us hope.</p>
<p>Fine. Explain it to me.</p>
<p>And just what were you thanking me for?</p>
<p>I was thanking you for pointing out that “it’s there,” and that “even” a religious college had a naked soccer game.</p>
<p>I can’t explain it to you; you either get it or you don’t (like so much in life, don’t you think?).</p>
<p>No, I don’t. I think it’s shorthand for–“I’m more sensitive, intelligent, far-seeing than you”, frankly.</p>
<p>But, carry on. You sure do know what you think.</p>
<p>“You sure do know what you think.” Thanks again. After 57 years hanging out here, I do hope so! :)</p>
<p>Funny, because as I get older, I find out how much more I have to think about, and learn.</p>
<p>I’ve come to certain conclusions regarding my own children and what I believe is probably best for other children; you are free to make your own choices, of course. You are free to send your child to any college, as am I. If I found that certain things were going on at my kid’s campus, I would object. I have this right, because I am FOOTING THE BILL. I do resent the idea that anyone who objects to the idea of “naked parties” at colleges is somehow an uptight, religious, right-wing, conservative zealot. I think that view is harming our kids. That’s my opinion, I’m sticking to it, and I simply chimed in with it! Carry-on, yourself!</p>
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<p>You also came right out and stated that if we didn’t automatically “get” that you were right, then it was pointless for you to try to clue us in. That, not the fact that you disapprove of naked parties, is where you start sounding like a stereotypical zealot. If your opinion is correct, but its merits can’t be explained to the likes of us, then we must be somehow incapable of understanding. That’s pretty condescending, which is a big part of zealotry.</p>
<p>Where did I say anything, anything about religious zealotry? Being a United Methodist of good standing, as is my D, that would be kinda silly, wouldn’t it?</p>
<p>No one accused you of anything, except judging people you don’t know, when you don’t have any facts to back you up.</p>
<p>My sister-( very devout LDS) sent two of her kids to a school that has quite a bit of drinking and partying- but I expect that she felt that she had raised them “right”, and that knowing that those things were present at the school, wasn’t going to negate the other things the school had to offer.</p>
<p>I don’t think that you could find a campus anywhere- where some amount of behavior that you wouldnt want shared on youtube was not occuring.</p>
<p>If you don’t want your kid to ever make a “wrong” decision, then lock them in a box.
Naked parties are not as disturbing to me as behaviors that are not entered into with eyes wide open, like hazing and date rape.
If you don’t want to go naked to a party, then put on some clothes.
I don’t think that nudists or those that want to try nudism, are inherently immoral. I also haven’t read that these parties are “orgies”, just that clothing is optional.</p>
<p>I got that impression from celloguy’s #60 post.<br>
I objected to naked parties, so I am told:</p>
<p><whatever our=“” particular=“” social=“” or=“” philosophical=“” bugaboo,=“” we=“” can=“” inform=“” ourselves=“” and=“” find=“” a=“” place=“” where=“” it=“” won’t=“” be=“” there=“” to=“” trouble=“” us.=“” nudity,=“” religion,=“” frats=“” sororities,=“” liberal=“” politics,=“” vegetarianism,=“” ethnic=“” diversity,=“” gay=“” pride,=“” uniforms,=“” too=“” many=“” rules,=“” not=“” enough=“” secular=“” humanism,=“” whatever.=“”></whatever></p>
<p>In other words, dare I object to naked parties for kids ages 19-21 at our nation’s colleges, I am linked in with people who object to:</p>
<p><…frats/sororities, alcohol, liberal politics, vegetarianism, ethnic diversity, gay pride, not enough rules, secular humanism.></p>
<p>In other words, I am accused of being INTOLERANT.</p>
<p>I added the religious zealot, conservative, right-wing etc. buzzwords, because they are also CODE words for INTOLERANT of anything and everything, i.e., “anything goes” or one is intolerant.</p>
<p>I also got this impression from bethievt’s post about the “extreme religious right” college guide.</p>
<p>Along with garland’s “judgmental” post, these are the posts from which I got my “impressions.”</p>
<p>In addition, I never judged people I don’t know. If you read carefully, I simply stated that it’s my opinion that it’s naive to think kids are having “PARTIES” in the nude to have friendly discussions. Why label them “parties” then? How about nude “salons”?</p>
<p>I also stated that I would not spend $40,000/year to give MY son the privilege of attending these “parties.” I also stated my opinion that I did not think these goings-on were in the best interest of our kids. I believe it is my right to entertain that opinion, no?</p>
<p>I did not ever, at any time, judge your choices, garland.</p>
<p>You jumped to that conclusion, big-time.</p>
<p>P.S. And if you want to quote the “I can’t believe what I’m hearing” line–it’s true, I CAN"T believe what I’m hearing! A perfectly subjective response, which again I believe I’m entitled to.</p>
<p>I hope I didn’t sound too judgmental. My Dad was a Lutheran minister. IMHO, it’s pretty subjective what’s right and wrong, and I’m good with other people deciding what’s right for their kids as long as they don’t expect to take control of my kid’s college experience or legislate for me what they think is right for them. When I was reading “Choosing the Right College”, I was thinking that this would be a great reference for parents and students who have a (very) different point of view than mine. They did manage to make my husband’s alma mater sound as if it was populated by the devil’s spawn, but if that’s how some people see it, that’s ok with me. They should avoid that school, by all means, and find a better fit.</p>
<p>Thanks for that, bethievt! Hanna, I truly believe that people who think naked parties are fine for their college-age kids truly don’t “get” people who are shocked by or disapproving of them, and vice-versa. Not condescending at all. Come on, no one on a message board is going to change anyone’s mind about this!</p>
<p>Reading previous posts, I guess I did sound too judgmental. Hereshoping, whatever limits you want to set for your kids are your business, not mine. And I don’t think everyone who disagrees with me is intolerant, bigoted, ignorant or anything else. It’s a big world with room for a million or more perspectives. Sometimes I feel like the people who don’t agree with me, though, want to intrude in my personal life or my child’s decisions or whatever. But I think this is a college post, not a religious or political post. I’m new to CC and maybe stepped out of line.</p>